for the liberals only

Do your remember Frank Sinatra, the lefties loved him, you might even find some vinyl records of him in your mom and dads old memorabilia

 

Nobody wants to collectivize your toothbrush.

explicitly rejecting the concept of describing a future ideal to build and thinking instead in terms of processes is actually exactly what utopianism is

 

?????????????? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Really?

Trump Foundation Self-Dealing Violations Highly Unusual, Experts Say

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashlea...elf-dealing-is-outlier-behavior/#27f84f4a3b86

Judge approves $25 million Trump University settlement

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-university-settlement-approved-gonzalo-curiel-236756

The Trump allegations
A list of the sexual misconduct accusations made against Donald Trump. He has denied the allegations

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list

USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

President Trump Made 1,950 Untrue Claims in 2017. That's Making His Job Harder

http://time.com/5084420/donald-trump-lies-claims-fact-checks/

 

Well, what I was asking about was if under communism, would the communists be respecting my desire to better myself and my aspiration for a better standard and wage of living? As I said, I'll want to get that straightened out before I decide on anything.

I wasn't really asking about my toothbrush.

 

I was speaking a bit metaphorically. The toothbrush was supposed to symbolize your personal life and possessions.

There are communists that would look at the domination and exploitation by private employers and decide that the solution should be to combine those private employers with the government without taking away the domination or exploitation, I won't lie to you. Stalinists are bad.

That said, there are also communists who want to respond to that situation by, instead of implementing mass state ownership, simply abolishing the ability to own workplaces and community resources so that they can be accessed by whoever would need them, like a library. People have incentives then to stop overworking themselves and instead come together as communities to divide up the work that must be done and dedicate the rest of their time to whatever makes their lives fulfilling.

I'm not going to try to describe the specifics of how such a world would work, because that's a mystery and different communities might decide on different solutions. But for as long as there's people and there's jobs to be done, we'll figure out ways to divide the jobs. I just think the marketplace is a godawful way to do it.

 

Well, just be careful about hooking up with the ancaps. They're tyrants. I had to quit calling myself a libertarian in public because of the way they misrepresent it on the Internet. lol.

 

Oh, god, **** ancaps.

 

Which reads very pleasingly .. until you recall that the vast majority of humans do not own property. In which case the whole idea is dead in the water.

No philosophy or political position is sustainable, if 'property rights' are central. That's a bit like making red cars central to a philosophy. Or blue eyes. Or any one of a zillion things not all of us have or have access to. It becomes an absurdity.

 

Contradiction in terms.

 

We've absorbed vastly different bodies of information and what words mean differs between the two of us, because our language is informed by the information we have taken in. It's difficult to bridge that gap.

 

Utopianists have never spent so much as a week in a bonafide collective (commune) where common purse and division of labour is strictly adhered to. There is no 'slack off' option. There is no 'individual'. There is no 'freedom'.

 

Mine is informed by having lived in collectives. Not by sipping lattes in Portland, Oregan and railing against the man.

 

In Disneyland, perhaps. In the real world, you'll get slackers, and dreamers, and poets, and precious artists. Whaddayagonnado about that?

 

While some of the faux liberals here refuse to believe I am an old FDR kinda Progressive/liberal, I will respond to this OP because I am perhaps one of a few of the older type of liberals on this board.

And once again it looks like I am defending trump, by simply being a non partisan objective observer. It is pretty damn bad when such objectivity gets one accused of being a trumster, when you never voted for the man, but it is what it is.

So, this testimony means nothing if the FBI cannot verify what Steele gathered in his research. And the Fusion head honcho is a biased hillary supporter. He even tried to get the dossier to be assumed as hard evidence on opposition research. Now, this is what an objective person notices.

Treating unverified info, especially on opposition research, as fact looks a bit desperate to me. But that has gone on since day one with the faux liberal democrats. If real journalism was being practiced, you would get this side of the story, but also at least one more side, perhaps more than two sides, and at least mention them. So this OP is just typical of the faux journalism we get fed, or better, the propaganda we get fed. I really shouldn't dignify it with saying "journalism" when talking about MSM. So, propaganda.

 

I've never been to Portland. I grew up in the Rust Belt, watched my parents lose everything for no reason in the recession and the people responsible for it never face consequences, then I got a shitty job, made friends with criminals that turned out to be pretty decent people, and followed my interest in existential philosophy over into communist philosophy.

I'm a product of **** and dirt like anyone else and I wouldn't have it any other way. I pore over mindbending theory from men who were dead long before I was born, but that doesn't mean I forgot where I came from.

 

The Drumpf Organization's ties to the Russian mafia go back well before he announced his candidacy. Where have you been?

 

I have no clue who that is. Got a wikipedia article or something?

 

Well, there's this.........
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/invest...ies-trump-s-name-ties-organized-crime-n821706
and this.......
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russian-italian-mafia-fusion-785524
and this.......
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ama-tied-to-russian-mafia-international-crime
and this....
https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
and this.....
https://themoscowproject.org/dispatch/moscow-project-dispatch-11-17-2017/

Doesn't your Google machine work?

 

MR. SCHIFF: You've described the -- and, again, just focusing on the first
phase information you found about property purchases that were concerning with
potential Russian money, you've talked about the ties to Felix Sater - were there
any other Russian links that you found during the first phase?
MR. SIMPSON: I'm sorry for the pause. This issue came up in various
guises, and I'm trying to think of some specifics. And offhand I just -- I mean,
there were things like - there were all kinds of random things.
There were, for instance, one of the - you know, we bought all of Trump's
books and all the books about Trump, and I remem~er there were things about
trips to Russia, and that was a big thing .
And there was, prior to the 2013 Miss Universe fair, there.was an earlier
Trump vodka marketing project in Russia that later became something that we
were very interested in.

It's difficult in my mind to get the chronology right, so, you

know, a lot of these things were coming up in the spring, which is, you know, a
period when we were ending the first part and starting the second.

MR SCHIFF: And what did you find notable about the Trump vodka
issue?
MR. SIMPSON: That it seemed like there was an orchestrated effort by
someone to help Trump out with - to help him market, you know, these branded
products in Russia, and that it was -- it was just very mysterious. And then we
later found some of the people who came up after the first Steele memo were
involved in some of those efforts.
And so it seemed to be -- it seemed like it was part of the origin or the
middle point of this relationship.

It was a little further back, where it was a little

less heavy.
MR. SCHIFF: And What was the period of - did Trump go to Russia on
this vodka promotion or his family members?
MR. SIMPSON: l don't think he was there. I think his representatives
were there. I don't believe there's a record of him be ing there himself.
MR. SCHIFF: And what were the contacts that later emerged in the Steele
work?
MR. SIMPSON: Well, one of the guys who organized this trip was a guy
who's currently known as Sergi Millian. And he's been in the press a good bit, I
think, although not recently. And, you know, he came up in connection with that,
and then he came up in connection with Chris' work as one of the people around
Trump who had a Russian background , and unexplained, you know, a lot of
unexplained things.
So when we looked at him, we found that he ran a sort of shadowy kind of
trade group called the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, which
is -- Russians are known to use chambers of commerce and trade groups as
fronts for intelligence operations.
. And this guy, his name - his real name or his original n_ame that he came to
the United States wasn't Sergi Millian. It was Siarhei Kukuts, and that's a pretty
different name. And he changed his name when he got to Atlanta.
And when we looked at him some more, we found two different resumes for
him. In one resume he said he was from Belarus and he went to Minsk State;
and then in another he was from Moscow and went to Moscow State. In one he
said he worked for the Belarussian Foreign Ministry; in the other, he said he
worked for the Russian Foreign Ministry.
He was a linguist, also an interesting thing about his background. And as
time went on, yeah, we found other things about him. We found a picture of him
with Donald Trump. He boasted to people that he had sold hundreds of millions
of dollars in Trump condos, Trump real estate to Russians, that he was some kind
of exclusive agent for Trump in Russia and that he organized this trade fair.
·And then, you know, as further time went on, we fourid he was connected to
Michael Cohen, the President's lawyer. And eventually, after boasting about a lot
of this stuff on camera, on tape, to the TV network, he backed away from all of it
suddenly when the Russia controversy began to get hot.
And Michael Cohen was very adamant that he didn't actually have a
connection to Sergi, even though he was one of only like 100 people who followed
Sergi on Twitter. And they -- we had Twitter messages back and forth between
the two of them just - we just pulled them off of Twitter.
And then, I guess, la.st but not least, he, you know - as we became more
and more interested in his background and the press started to write stories about
him, it came out that he was associated with this Russian friendship entity called

Rossotrudnichestvo, and that he was involved in organizing a junket to Moscow for
some American businessmen that was the subject of an FBI investigation,
because it was a suspected recruiting operation . And the FBI had questioned
people who were involved in this trip about whether they were recruited by the
Russians when they went to Moscow.
So it was that kind of thing.

 

Those are about Trump, and spourced as well as a typical tabloid. None have anything to do with this Drumpf guy you keep mentioning.

 

Lee, I'm disappointed that you would post a thread with the title, 'For the liberals only."

But I'm not surprised; I've noted time and time again that many leftists are most comfortable in staying in their leftwing echo chamber. And, there are plenty of liberal-only forums such as Koz and the DU if you really wanted to only hear from people you agree with.

I'm not sure what the topic is, and I'm not going to comment on it.

But you've certainly proved one of my main assertions about those on the left...

(Note to mods: if I am violating any board policy in chiming in on a thread where only partisan agreement is desired, feel free to delete my post.)