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Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by ptif219, Jan 29, 2012.

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  1. The Lepper

    The Lepper New Member

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    You really need to look into the very basics of the science if you wish to participate in these discussions. Global temp, by definition, includes the ocean. A fifth grader could tell you that.

    Nobody ever said 'ocean temp is used as the standard for global temp' either. You are making things up.

    EDIT: Oh yeah, and your OP has already been refuted (by the very source they claimed to cite) so I don't know why you are asking for another refutation.

    http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/met-office-in-the-media-29-january-2012/
     
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  2. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Yet you show nothing about ocean temp used as global warming.temp. There are monitor stations all over the world please show the ones taking ocean temps and how that data is used in official global temp statistics.

    Imagine that they are denying it when the information came from them. Typical GW propagandists denying facts when they are used.
     
    ptif219, Jan 31, 2012
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  3. The Lepper

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    Find another argument. Yours ended when MET themselves refuted the OP.
     
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  4. wyly

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    of course you got this info form a NASA site and not from a journalist/denier who deliberately misreported and misquoted and spun the info, getting select quotes from professional denier shills like Benny Pieser?...:laughing:

    now the truth what NASA website supports and not how some schlock denier from the daily mail spins it...

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html


    at least pretend to be objective if you're going to make "claims" to what NASA supports at least have the honesty to use a NASA website....
     
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  5. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    The met is trying to stop truth. Just like Anglia saying there was no scandal because we investigated our own people. There is no credibility or integrity left in the GW community.
     
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  6. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You show you did not read the article. The article says Nasa says therre will be less solar activity

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/29may_noaaprediction/
     
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  7. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You mean this Met office that has no credibility or integrity

    http://www.climategate.com/british-climate-professor-john-mitchell-may-face-fraud-charges


     
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  8. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop moving the goalposts after you get caught making crap up.

    You said:

    "It appears NASA says no warming for last 15 years and we are headed for a mini ice age"

    Problem is, NASA claimed no such thing, period. You just made that all up.

    NASA does say that minor fluctuations in solar activity have little effect on earth temperature, and that greenhouse gas effects dominate over it. So, when NASA says "less solar activity", that's all it means. It definitely does not mean "heading for a mini ice age."

    If the Met has no credibilty ... then why did you start out using them as your primary source?

    You can't have it both ways, declaring the Met is credible when you thought they agreed with you, then flipflopping like a beached halibut the other way as soon as you learned they disagreed with you.
     
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  9. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You show you do not know what the article said about NASA.

    I have shown that the GW community is trying to stop the release of information. This means they are hiding facts. The truth is the GW community is corrupt and has no credibility.
     
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  10. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your link was nearly two years old. How'd those fraud prosecutions go?

    Oh, that's right. None of them happened, because the accusations were proven to all be fabricated BS. The whole phony climategate non-scandal did a face plant into a cow patty. And now you arise, cowchips on your chin, to no doubt claim how that further proves the great conspiracy. In your mind, everything that happens proves the great conspiracy.

    The old Soviets used to jail people for doing science that contradicted the party line. I don't see much difference between you and them.
     
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  11. The Lepper

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    You are beyond reason.
     
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  12. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Shows the GW community will not release information. What are they hiding. The lack of transparency by these scientists shows they are not being honest or truthful.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...d-to-share-information-on-global-warming.html

    http://epaabuse.com/4398/editorials...ail-from-climate-change-scientist-phil-jones/

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2...st-ordered-to-release-thousands-of-documents/


    http://notrickszone.com/climate-scandals/
     
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  13. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    No you ignore that scientists refuse to release data even when the freedom of information act is used. The GW community is hiding information that does not fit their agenda
     
    ptif219, Jan 31, 2012
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    This is paranoid nonsense. The American FOI act doesn't apply outside your borders. The requests (note meaning of "request") were a tactic to slow or even stop research as scientists spent ever more time responding to specious questions.
     
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    No, they fight releasing data which consumes much more time than releasing data. They are hiding data that goes against their false agenda
     
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    They fight nothing, the treat it it with deserved contempt.
     
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  17. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    They show they are not scientists when they refuse to release data. The data should be public knowledge. What we see is not science but a liberal agenda pretending to be science.

    If it is science release all the data and stop the corruption and lies.
     
    ptif219, Jan 31, 2012
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  18. wyly

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    I read it, you did not understand it...

    whoop-de-doo there are solar cycles! now tell us something we don't know(apparently you're the only one who didn't) solar cycles that haven't shown any correlation to increasing temp, regardless what part of the cycle we've been in lower or higher average global temps have been climbing...

    You and you're denier bolg from the Daily Mail (not NASA) made this BS claim...

    whereas the Legitimate NASA website had this to say...
    you and your hero from the Daily Mail mislead/spun the facts...

    you don't even understand the implications of the solar minimum, we've come out the deepest solar minimum in a century and still those years are still among the 10 warmest years on record...then you use the denier smoke and mirrors trick of showing short term data and spin it as long term indicator "no warming"...take a step back and the data reveals an unmistakable long term warming, and solar minimums within the those years had no effect in stopping the warming, in fact some of those solar minimum are among the warmest years ever...

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  19. MannieD

    MannieD New Member

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    You want data? You want data sources? I will give you data sources:





    Solar System Calculations (JPL Horizons)






     
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  20. MannieD

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    more:
    Model codes (GCMs)

    Downloadable codes for some of the GCMs.



    Master Repositories of Climate Data

    Much bigger indexes of data sources:

    The above list is from a page on Realclimate


    OK, ptif. You have your data. Now show us you can do something with it besides falsely claiming that scientists do not release their data. Take a set of data, any set and show us how informed you are and make use of the data. Show you can analyze it. Do something with the data or ****!
     
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  21. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Read the article you are taking it out of context. The met data shows no warming. NASA says low solar activity may cause cooling.
     
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  22. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    The pages does not work. The point is scientists want to hide information and refuse to release information. That is not science that is data manipulation to put forward a false agenda.

    Science would release data with out being asked. The corruption and manipulation shows this is more politics and no science.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/...ummers-are-cooler-winters-are-getting-colder/

    http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11582

    http://isthereglobalcooling.com/
     
    ptif219, Feb 1, 2012
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  23. MannieD

    MannieD New Member

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    Maybe you should learn how to use a mouse.
    First link:
    Index of /snapshots

    [​IMG]NameLast modifiedSizeDescription [​IMG]Parent Directory - modelE.2012.01.26_11.12.22.tgz26-Jan-2012 06:12 3.6M modelE.2012.01.27_11.12.22.tgz27-Jan-2012 06:12 3.6M modelE.2012.01.28_11.12.22.tgz28-Jan-2012 06:12 3.6M modelE.2012.01.29_11.12.21.tgz29-Jan-2012 06:12 3.6M modelE.2012.01.30_11.12.22.tgz30-Jan-2012 06:12 3.6M modelE.2012.01.31_11.12.22.tgz31-Jan-2012 06:12 3.6M modelE.2012.02.01_11.12.22.tgz01-Feb-2012 06:12 3.6M modelE1_patches.2012.01.26_11.12.22.tgz26-Jan-2012 06:12 1.5M modelE1_patches.2012.01.27_11.12.22.tgz27-Jan-2012 06:12 1.5M modelE1_patches.2012.01.28_11.12.22.tgz28-Jan-2012 06:12 1.5M modelE1_patches.2012.01.29_11.12.21.tgz29-Jan-2012 06:12 1.5M modelE1_patches.2012.01.30_11.12.22.tgz30-Jan-2012 06:12 1.5M modelE1_patches.2012.01.31_11.12.22.tgz31-Jan-2012 06:12 1.5M modelE1_patches.2012.02.01_11.12.22.tgz01-Feb-2012 06:12 1.5M modelE_AR5_branch.2012.01.26_11.12.22.tgz26-Jan-2012 06:12 3.5M modelE_AR5_branch.2012.01.27_11.12.22.tgz27-Jan-2012 06:12 3.5M modelE_AR5_branch.2012.01.28_11.12.22.tgz28-Jan-2012 06:12 3.5M modelE_AR5_branch.2012.01.29_11.12.21.tgz29-Jan-2012 06:12 3.5M modelE_AR5_branch.2012.01.30_11.12.22.tgz30-Jan-2012 06:12 3.5M [​IMG]modelE_AR5_branch.2012.01.31_11.12.22.tgz31-Jan-2012 06:12 3.5M [​IMG]modelE_AR5_branch.2012.02.01_11.12.22.tgz01-Feb-2012 06:12 3.5M

    NOTE: I had to remove some image links due to number of image restrictions by forum.
     
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  24. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    The links will not work.

    I notice you have no comment on my links.

    I will repeat this one more time. The OP uses the Met office data on temp. It states NASA for low solar activity that may cause cooling
     
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  25. MannieD

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    So you are presented with the data and do not know how to even dl the data. I would say that shows ignorance on your part; not deception by the scientists.
     
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