Former German chancellor Helmut Kohl dead at 87

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  1. Jazz

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    That is again sheer nonsense from you. He wrote his first book in Russia and had it smuggled to the West for publication, as Russia wouldn't allow the truth about the Gulags to come out.
     
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    In that case, actually, this guy is right - Solzhenitsin is not exactly reliable source, as I pointed above as well. Again, a matter worthy of proper discussion.
     
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    Sobo, he is telling you the truth. You can't be that blind, can you?
     
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    And generally, seeing as thread reaches conclusion - I'll quote one necromant: "Splendid, it's a draw! Now let's get hammered?!"
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    O.k, another day then!
     
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    Solzhenitsyn wrote an art book. He exaggerated and decorated everything. He wrote that the USSR killed 60 million of its own citizens. Think about this figure! This is three times more than was died in the war with Germans. At the same time, I know a huge number of people who have lost loved ones in the war. But I do not know of anybody whose relatives were killed in the gulag.
     
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    You're a flea on the ass of a bear. Germany has a microscopic army and old weapons, because Germany is a vassal of USA. You are the property of USA.
     
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    Solzhenitsyn wrote an art book. He exaggerated and decorated everything. He wrote that the USSR killed 60 million of its own citizens. Think about this figure! This is three times more than was died in the war with Germans. At the same time, I know a huge number of people who have lost loved ones in the war. But I do not know of anybody whose relatives were killed in the gulag.
     
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    At the same time I'm not saying that the gulag was a sanatorium. But all data must be objective. The archives say that there were 1,6 million prisoners who died in the gulag. Between 1930 and 1956.
     
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    *Not dead in WWII, but casualties. Among that number are cripples, those who died from diseases, prisoners of war - included those who been freed from camps and later returned homes - et cetera. The "20 millions" is yet another statistical overestimation, combined from several factors, but presented as pure Killed-In-Action casualties for sake of having a bigger number to talk about.

    And yes, I know Solzhenitsyn exxagerated number, I am pretty much aware of that fact, for quite a number of reasons.
     
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    I followed your advice and hope you end this as well amd go back to topic.
     
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    I know that the most objective data were with Khrushchev and it was about 20 million dead in the war. But Solzhenitsyn is a liar. Because there are archival documents. They may not be accurate, but not as much as Solzhenitsyn lied.
     
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    Here is a map that shows you how many gulag camps there were and probably still are:
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    I know from one German prisoner that every morning they carried out between 200 and 300 dead.
    Little food and worked to death!
     
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    Ok, seriously, let's finish the off-topic. I recommend that politely, and if it will continue I will report it with no mercy.
     
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    From post-WW2 German chancellors I think these are the most influencial and respectful politicians- Konrad Adenauer and Helmut Kohl.
     
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    posting pics from 1990s, early 2000s or some schithole place is unfair; here you go -

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    in a nutshell, your a hater, and never been to the place, only spewing hate speeches.
     
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    firstly, not every gulag was a prison, most of them were mere settlements where those sentenced were banished, not imprisoned; secondly, gulags were abolished in 1960s; thirdly 'probably' is not an argument to use in discussing serious matters like this very one, otherwise you enter in the realm of myths & fantasies.
     
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    that cannot be true, because if so, then there would be no German POWs returning home after the war; your 'German prisoner' may have been a CIA shill hired to give a fake account of the events.
     
  20. Jazz

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    O.k., thanks for the advice.
    I googled and found a big file on the Gulag System...

    http://gulaghistory.org/nps/downloads/gulag-curriculum.pdf
    Anybody interested can click and read.
     

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