Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Are you serious? Do you actually think Trump is on Putin's payroll?

 

The Bush Family and hitler?

Good grief...........

Did you know the left voted to go into Iraq?

You have so many things so wrong.

Hopefully you will get wiser as you get older.

You seem young and badly misinformed.

 

All the white hating socialist bigots that despise

America and our way of life supported hillary or bernie.

They all wanted a dicktator like obama.

The way I spelled dicktator was no mistake.

 

LOL. You really think that someone as well-to-do as Soros is going to just put something controversial on his web site? "Hey, I'm Soros, and I want to destroy the United States so I can take over the world!"

What are his actions? Everywhere in the USA there is trouble, Soros is there funding the troublemakers. Coincidence? Hardly.

 

Hi Debbie,

You appeared to pick up two things from what I said, that is that John Pilger thought the world would probably do better with Trump than Clinton and that I said I had read that Trump had got funding from a neo Zionist whose name I do not know. You appear to believe that that person was Soros. I will deal with that first. Soros is one American Jew I have heard of. It most certainly was not him. He is an antizionist though I have heard some people call him a Zionist. This appears to come from White Nationalists and their continuing belief that Jews are responsible for all the ill in the world. Rather than use the word Jew in their hate these days - they tend to use Israel or Zionism so you may well have seen stuff saying he is a neo Zionist - using Zionist instead of the word Jew, but no he is an antizionist and it was not him who supported Trump.

Now regarding Rep's or Dem's. I do not come from the US so do not take my pick of one of those. In the UK we have many different parties to choose from not an us or them. You spoke earlier somewhere along the lines of Global Corporatism I think believing Trump was going to bring that to the world. Well it may be that he will aggravate that but at base that I think is one of the main reasons we are in the situation we are in at the moment and this has been going on since the 80's and Reagan and Thatcher. With the crash of 2008/9 it was shown that this system does not work. However rather than dealing with that we appear now to have moved to a post capitalist system. At least Capitalism had the check and balance that if your gamble did not pay off you lost. Since 2008/9 we have moved away from these checks and balances - the banks we were told were too big to lose so most countries bailed them out at the tax payers expense. Similarily the new trade deals I hear have inbuilt clauses in them in order that those investing do not lose - in other words we appear to have moved into another system moving on from that of the aristocracy where the rich keep on getting richer and where the poor are pawns. Along with that is the demise of democracy. Now democracy has been on the decline since the 80's due to the reality that rather than listening to the needs of the voters which are the people representative democracy are paid to serve, they have more and more had to listen to the global capitalists as without their agreement the country will likely fail. That is basically Neo Liberalism and as far as people and democracy are concerned it has failed. What we need from wherever a person stands politically is a new economic system. That, not a person for instance Trump, is the only thing that is going to get us out of the system we are in now. I also hear from many places that the US political system is as corrupt as hell and I would imagine in no small measure a part of that is that a wealthy few tend to have a great input by their cash into who will become President.

The situation the West finds itself in is also very similar to the 30's - a heavy depression/recession which goes on and on due to the economic system we are living under not working and this not being addressed by politicians. Indeed politicians being seen as corrupt. As in the 30's both the left and the far right are gaining ground. Studies on those who intended voting Trump showed that a number of things had occurred in the US which made people more open to authoritarian rule than would normally be the case - that is the situation with the economy particularly the white working class who could no longer rely on being able to have a job never mind seeing their standard of living continually increase. Along with this was a really over the top fear caused by the tiny amount of terrorism you have had as result of your destruction of the ME. The issue was further made worse by the demographs of the US where white people are in decline and where they will soon no longer be the majority and hence no longer able to expect the advantages that come with this. There has been a massive increase in suicides and drug and alcohol problems with white working class men in the US due to the feeling of powerlessness they experience from this situation. In comes the strong leader and authoritarianism and their willingness to give up the usual norms of society - to the extent of even supporting the killing of opposition as we see in Russia. They love Putin because he is the 'strong man' they want and hope for in Trump to protect them. Obviously this is prime time for White Nationalists to move in which they have. I do not believe for one moment that Trump will help the white working class but he very likely will increase the authoritarianism of the US and if your checks and balances are not as good as you believe they are, he could easily become a Dictator. Nonetheless Global Capitalists seem to like him quite well as we can see from the markets since he took over. He will not help those like the wwc but will most likely be a vehicle for the hatred of the other stirred up to divert people's attention from the real problems. It is a potentially very dangerous time for the US and world. I would have been more a Sanders Man and believe he would have done the job which needs doing much better than Trump. He would have worked towards bringing people together rather than causing divisions and although he does not seem to have found the needed economic model which is I believe the root of the problem he could have begun to do so. He is also genuinely anti war, climate change and not least working for a just resolve to the situation in Israel - which seems to be at the base of the craziness we see at the current time in the US. So with him I think there would have been hope but the Democrats made sure it was not him as it was 'Hilary's time'. We see the same craziness in the UK - the right moves further to the right joining the far right and the 'supposed left' refuses to acknowledge what the people need and want - hence leaving the far right as the only possible avenue for those desperate for change to move into.

Yes, I am aware of a lot about the Iraq War and deception which was even worse in the US than here. Many in Britain would still like to see Bush and Blair on trial for it. I am also aware of the link between armaments and Global Capitalism and the need by such for war to keep their system of revenue going.

 

That's like comparing apples to oranges. You should know that. I believe you are comparing the extreme form of socialism to fascism which does have some similarities. However, the type of socialism Bernie Sanders, and I, myself advocate is democratic socialism, which I will post below.

Definition of democratic socialism:

What is Democratic Socialism?

http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Definition of Fascism:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

 

Read the first link and it is full of the usual utopian nonsense compleatly devoid of understanding human nature. It claims it wants more decentralization but the method is greater central control to force society into the utopian mold.

 

Yes, I am also a Sanders man. I do believe in government of the people, by the people and for the people. History has definitely shown that "trickle down economics" does not work for the majority. I made an earlier post regarding the definition of democratic socialism. Too many people compare it to communism, which it is not. The extreme form may be similar, but not the form that Sanders and many others, especially younger people, aspire to. However, I am not a younger person! I was born right here in America and am 62 years old. I have actually seen the effects of trickle down economics over the years. There are charts and graphs that actually show how the economy actually does better (even the stock market) under a democratic president. I read that Soros somehow lied to escape from the Nazi's and that the broke the British pound, but it would have crashed anyway! He did give a lot of money to good causes and always gives large donations to democratic leaders. He did not want Bush to become president (at any cost).

 

Marxists, or Neo-Communists.

 

Democratic socialism is merely an early step toward "a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition" (from your definition of fascism). History shows that all forms of government move towards severe statism until the system either collapses under its own weight, war overthrows it, or the subjugated people revolt.

Different nations start at different places on that road to tyranny. The USA under the Constitution started far away from tyranny, but has moved steadily towards tyranny. Your "democratic socialism" starts very close to communism, just a few little steps and you are all under the jack boot.

Since you probably did not read the Nazi 25 point plan, I will list for you some of their prime items, tell us what political ideology these remind you of:

every person shall have a living wage;
businesses must share profit with employees;
government provided retirement;
government funded public education;
government funded health care (single payer);
abolish "fake news" (they called it "those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press");
freedom of religion as long as it does not offend the German people;
unearned income and war profiteering are abolished;
abolition of land rent (socialists just hate land rent, there are always threads in the forum started by socialists ranting against land rent).

Overlaying the socialist foundation of Fascism and Nazism is a nationalistic attitude created by the reparations hardships resulting from WW1.

The socialist roots of fascism are well documented. For a detailed overview read Hayeks "The Road to Serfdom". He provides many footnotes, follow those links to the first hand writings of the founders of fascism.

 

Maybe so, but what happened with Adolph Hitler in Germany was not a true form of democratic socialism, as he was obviously a sociopath and had no compassion for human life.

 

Really? That is pretty cool though!

 

The leftists really seem to fear Donald Trump. The hardliner republicans too. I think that's a good thing. Just because he's a loud mouth (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) doesn't mean he won't be a good president. I'm sure he isn't the first loud mouth to be elected president, just the most well known one. Anyhow, here's to the new year and let's hope OUR president does a good job!

 

At the start, when Hitler was trying to gain control of the German government and German people, he had to phrase his ideology in terms that were attractive to the German people. He had to make promises he and his fellows had no intention of keeping. After he had fooled the people and had gained control, the real agenda came out.

That's the same way Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin came to power. And Mao. Say what the people want to hear, get them to support you, and once you have control and the people no longer have a voice, the dictator steps on stage.

And that's exactly how democratic socialism will work. It sounds utopian, its proponents claim it will be fair and equal and honest, they make promises that are attractive but which they have no intention of keeping (and I read your link, some of it is complete pie-in-the-sky fantasy based on a false understanding of human behavior). Its a scam.

Consider this - under the US Constitution, a state can easily implement your democratic socialism. So why don't the supporters of DS implement their system in Vermont, the land of Bernie? Why do the DS people push their ideology on the entire nation? Because DS wont work, if tried in Vermont it will fail. And because the people behind DS are only using it as a stepping stone to gaining political power.

 

I have to admit I too did not know anything about Trump's donors apart from hearing about one potential one until yesterday when I came upon a Young Turk video. I trust you are aware by now Jeanette that Trump just said what he thought people wanted to hear. Seems Trump had plenty of donors and he has put them in his Government far more than any other President before him.

Donald Trump: Stop Appointing Campaign Donors To Your Administration

and this was the video I came across yesterday

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-donors-rewards-232974

 

Hitler was never a democratic Socialist. He was a National Socialist a very different thing. Democratic Socialism was what the UK was up to until Thatcherism. It seems unlikely that Democratic Socialism can be the future blueprint because it is unlikely with technology that enough people are going to be able to continue working to pay enough taxes to support its functioning in the future. However we do need a new Post Global Capitalism economic system. One of the basic ideas which was suggested before monetarism came in in both main parties in the UK was a Universal basic income which could be part of that. Seems Scotland is considering bringing this in. Obviously the question is always the funding.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ic-income-trials-being-considered-in-scotland

 

Maybe so. I know that it was proven on Politico that Trump actually lied more than Hillary during the campaign. Every 3.5 minutes or something like that. Guess they all lie to get into office. I'm still very worried about America's future and what we are headed toward and what my children and grandchildren's future will be like. I plan to retire in Puerto Vallarta, along with a million or so other ex-pats since I am on a very limited social security income and the cost of living is about 43 percent cheaper there. Makes sense, especially since it looks like Medicare may be gutted by the republicans, and who knows what will happen to social security for the younger generation. Social democracy is the middle stage between capitalism and communism, but it has never been practiced in it's true form. If it was, I think it could work. I believe some European countries, such as Denmark do practice some form of this type of government.

Despite popular myths, there is very little connection between economic performance and welfare expenditure. Many of the countries on this list are proof of that, such as Denmark and Finland. Even though both countries are more socialistic than America, the workforce remains stronger.


Top Ten Most Socialist Countries in The World


Source:

http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

 

Yes, when we (Scotland) were thinking about Independence the type of Society it was suggested we become was like the Scandinavian ones. Your thread says little about Sweden and quickly diverts into Norway. I know I have heard that Sweden has adopted neo Liberal policies and as such has deteriorated - some I think believing that is why they have had problems with their immigrants.

I don't think any Western society has every considered equality - more equality of opportunity but that being said research shows that the countries which are more equal tend to have citizens who are psychologically healthier and lesser crime rates. I know my daughter on reading the White Paper on Scottish Independence immediately changed from someone who could not stand paying her taxes to being well up for it, knowing she would see an increase in them. The reason for the change being that she could see that her taxes would create a better quality of society for her children to grow up in.

I am guessing your 'maybe so' is to do with my saying that social democracy looks an unlikely model for the future due to the likelihood of there not being sufficient people paying taxes for it to be successful. Of course there are two parts to this - one being the ideological - doing things for the common good and the second being the practical - how do you economically achieve them...and I am not saying that the ideology of maximum freedom while also working for the common good in certain areas could not be brought into a different economic system successfully. Now that ideological component is the one which most certainly was different with Hitler and one we will see changing if some of the Nordic countries veer to the far right as is possible.

I am no spring chicken myself - a few years older than you and already retired. I also fear the world my grandchildren are going to inherit.

 

Very true! Thanks for sharing this with us. We the people can stop this Fascist pig named Donald Trump. We brought down Nixon and the Vietnam War in the 70s

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