France hostage crisis: 'Two dead' in Trèbes supermarket

Muslim go boom-boom:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43512791

See bit in bold. They knew about him. Couldn't hold him, though - he might have been offended.

 

Yep ... IS go boom-boom!

 

Why did you feel the need to add this lie?

 

That or his multiculti "progressive" enablers would have been offended.

Incidentally, I was just telling our German friend Sobo that this crap was going to gear up now that all Europeans who joined Caliph Ibrahim's death cult are returning home.

When do you Brexiteers get to reassert control over your borders?

 

And this is the Point ... because they are the real danger at least and not the refugees so far in case of Terror. And it is interesting that These rat pipers had success to get Young People for the IS who were before not even a spark of religious and not only a few of them not even Muslim!

Why are These rat pipers not more fought by our Services please and why are the righties and Islam haters not blaming their politicians for it ... insteed shouting on "12 yera old Abdould and Fatma" who have lost their parents to Assad who bombed them or IS sum who have burned them alive as Shia persons?

 

I blame the 100+ Jihad-enabling verses in the Qur'an.

 

Jihadists are promised (by Mohammad/Allah) the highest level of Jannah, so this terrorist was just trying to fulfill his religious duty to engage in Jihad. The Islamic texts instruct Muslims to engage in Jihad even if they don't like it. Q2.216: "Fighting is enjoined on you....". If this Muslim had an F-15 he'd use that, but he didn't have one, so he used what he could get his hands on (a gun) to try to get to Paradise. He was just being a loyal Muslim.

 

I know what this debate is going to. Mandelus will speak to you of the radical christian and deduce so that radical islam isn't particulary a problem.

A very brave police officer exchanged an hostage with himself. He was shot but he seems to be alive.

On the other side, the leftist seems to be more worried of the "fascists" than the people who got killed.

The guy is morrocan.

 

...the guy is RELIGIOUS, that's why he went on the killing spree.

 

He'd be right, however, since the Bible is more barbaric than even the Qur'an is:
Number of Cruel or Violent Passages:
Bible 1321
Quran 532
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

However, the correct answer is NOT "well, I guess if the Bible is more barbaric than the Qur'an then that makes the Qur'an ok!" - uh, NO, the correct answer is: "if a book is more barbaric than even the QUR'AN is, then BOTH of those religions should be shunned!"
Showing that a MORE barbaric book exists does not make the first book less violent!

 

Jesus ("Isa") is the future messiah metnioned in the Islamic texts. So as the Islamic messiah, Jesus should of course come down and tell Muslims to stop being so violent all the time. This would save many many innocent lives! Jesus doesn't do that simply because Jesus is not actually real (or he's uncaring, so of course either way he's a scum-bag.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

Jesus, you are a scum-bag.

 

Concluding that a book is more violent simply by counting the number of violent passages have two flaws :
It don't take in consideration neither the sense or the structure of the book.
For instance, when Jesus is captured, a guy got an ear cut by a follower of Jesus, Jesus stop him and heal the wounded. That can be considered as a violent passage because someone got his ear cut, does it encourage violent ? No.
You can consider too the structure. For christian, the ancient testament is relevant but not as much than the new one. For instance, the ancient testament forbid to eat pork but christian still eat porks. That's why you should keep an eye on structure.

By the way, the main problem is neither muslims or christian itself, and in fact, finally, neither the quran is. Human being are naturally potentially violent. They don't need islam or christianism for it. The problem is : does some ideologies sweeten people or encourage violence ?

 

True, the jihadists are the present and imminent threat, and it's mystifying how the authorities in France and elsewhere are 1) letting these lunatics return home and 2) letting them roam your streets. What the hell are the leaders in these countries thinking? The liberalism that allows Westerners to exercise their civil rights isn't some carte blanche suicide pact.

As for the refugees, the caveat "so far" is an important point to make. So far, some of the IS fighters have blended in with them and who knows how many of the refugees and their children will become a danger in the future.

I asked your fellow countryman Sobo this question but I never got an answer - what is Germany doing to integrate these refugees/immigrants? As you are probably aware, the jihadists who killed 3000 people in New York and Washington on September 11, 2001 came from Hamburg - this question concerns not just Germany but the EU and the U.S.

They are master propagandists. I may despise IS but I have been impressed with their propaganda and recruitment. Have you watched their videos and/or seen their flagship publication Dabiq?

https://clarionproject.org/islamic-state-isis-isil-propaganda-magazine-dabiq-50/

That is some seriously slick, sophisticated and professional stuff and the people putting it together know their politics, history and scripture. In many ways, these people are just as dangerous as the jihadists who are running around killing people. They're the mouth of the "jihadist pipeline" that indoctrinates and recruits Muslims to join IS. Without them the Islamic State would never have been as successful as it has been. The propagandists in al Qaeda are amateurs compared to these guys.

I think the Righties have been blaming your politicians for their failures, but the question remains why aren't your security services doing a better and more proactive job of fighting the jihadists in your countries. Are they lax, are they hamstrung by politics and the law, are they overwhelmed? All of the above? You would probably know better than I would.

It's tough, but the Syrian people aren't your responsibility, are they? If we let these refugees flood into our countries we become accomplices to Assad's crimes against humanity by enabling him to drive thousands of Syrians from their homes and country. Are we really willing to become parties to his ethno-sectarian cleansing campaigns? I'm not.

People want to help the innocents in this war who are just trying to get away from Assad and IS but there is a risk involved with letting thousands of these people into our countries. There's also the matter of which I just spoke - these people belong back in their homes and communities. If Assad is an obstacle to that then we have a problem and we need to figure out what to do about it.

 

God/Jesus of the Bible is JUST AS BAD as "Allah" is, because BOTH will see that even hard-working, ethical, loving Jews will get nothing for living a good life except eternal torture (according to the Bible/Qur'an.) So Mandelus is right - if he says that they BOTH are evil.


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All these verses lead to that conclusion:

John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 - The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:43, 48-49 - And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.

Matthew 22:13 - Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 8:12 - while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:46 - And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Revelation 14:9-11; 19:3 - If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. The smoke from her goes up forever and ever.

Luke 12:5 - But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

 

Beyond that, there is the problem of the quran. Many passages of the quran encourage to kill people. The quran is supposed to have been dictated by Allah himself, not Muhammed. Allah is supposed to be all mighty and all knowing. If the quran don't encourage to kill, why an all mighty being couldn't say it clearly ?

 

Yes, many religious terrorists are educated (the head of AQ is a doctor, and many 9/11 terrorists were engineers, etc.) and sophisticated, so it's not that they are "poor and uneducated, etc." like leftists would have us believe, no - but RELIGION is to blame. RELIGION gets people to believe that if they do bad things that they will actually get rewarded!

Moses is one example - he had 3000 people killed because of the voices in his head ("god"), in Exodus 32. Moses was therefore as bad as Osama (well, worse, since on 9/11 LESS than 3000 people were killed.)

 

I think we can agree that the Bible and Qur'an are not REALLY "from god or inspired by god" because said gods never seem to talk directly to us, but rather conveniently go through a "prophet" (with no evidence for), who we are supposed to exalt. Religion is clearly a con-game.

 

This also applies to secular ideologies that have nothing to do with religion at all. How many people died on account of socialist/communist ideology in the 20th Century - 100 million?

Ideologies, in my opinion, are like guns. They are completely harmless until someone picks them up, loads them and fires them at someone. Then they become weapons.

 

Allah didn't even know right from wrong - he didn't know that slavery, and sex with kids (9 year-old Aisha), are not what's best for humanity....to this very day he doesn't even know that (or has he changed/updated the Qur'an!?)

 

Like me, can you condemn the 100+ Jihad-enabling verses in the Qur'an?

 

Who is ISIS's #1 role model of all time, Mandelus? I say it's Mohammad - so that would make Mohammad a pretty bad dude....can we agree on that?

 

I still think that all ideologies doesn't have an equal relation to violence. Some ideologies are clearly more violent than some other. Everybody would agree that nazis and communists are more violent than hippies.

 

Religion is no more to blame than atheism is to blame for the 100 million people who perished in the Communist holocaust of the 20th Century.

Stop absolving people of their personal responsibility, FS. We are solely and wholly responsible for our own actions - not some ideology, not some book, not some dude who may or may not have existed in the past. When you displace the blame you become an enabler.

You need to look past your antipathy towards religion and realize that. Until you do you're part of the problem, not the solution.

 

Valid point. And yes, the Bible and Qur'an both teach pure HATRED of non-believers (they get tortured in God/Jesus/Allah's Auschwitz - aka "hell" - making them no better than Hitler), so they do indeed "sweeten people or encourage violence."
Moses, who Jesus approved of, was a mass-murderer (Ex. 32), and so was Jesus-approved Elijah (he met both of them in the "transfiguration.) So of course Jesus' approval of mass-murderers leads to an attitude that violence is ok. A sane person would have ARRESTED those mass-murderers, of course....but Jesus doesn't believe in justice.

 

Christians (Crusades), and Muslims (Jihad) are the worst.