French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

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    Robert Faurisson, a former French academic who was convicted several times for claiming there was no systematic mass killings of Jews by Nazi Germany, has died aged 89 in his hometown of Vichy, central France, his sister and his editor said Monday.
    British-born Faurisson was also a staunch defender of Marshal Philippe Petain, the Vichy French leader who collaborated with Nazi occupiers of the country during World War II.
    He "had just returned from England when he collapsed in the hallway of his home in Vichy" on Sunday evening, his sister Yvonne Schleiter told AFP.
    A former professor of French literature at the University of Lyon, Faurisson maintained that the gas chambers in Auschwitz were the "biggest lie of the 20th century", saying deported Jews died instead of disease and malnutrition.
    He also contested the authenticity of the diary of Anne Frank, the Dutch girl who managed to hide with her family from the Nazis for years before being caught and sent to concentration camps.
    After France passed a law in 1990 making Holocaust denial a crime, Faurisson was repeatedly prosecuted and fined for his writings.
    He was dismissed from his academic post in 1991.
    French historian Valerie Igounet, who wrote a book about him, branded him a "anti-Semitic forger" who "lusted after scandal".
    "He never stopped applying methods of interpretation and of the reading of historical documents in total contradiction with scientific method," she said.
    In 2012, Faurisson received a prize from Iran's president at the time, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,
    for his "courage, resistance and fighting spirit" in contesting the Holocaust.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20181022-french-holocaust-denier-robert-faurisson-dies-89

    Good riddance :applause:
    I hope he died with a smile knowing France is full of Muslims ...
     
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    Great news! A bad ass less in the world! :applause::applause::applause:
     
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    Holocaust denial is sick and wrong, but putting people in jail for their opinions is even more sick and wrong.

    There are many websites debunking every single Holocaust denial argument and providing as much evidence as you want, while Holocaust deniers are just repeating the same silly talking points over and over that have been addressed decades ago. This is the actual way to deal with Holocaust denial, not state censorship.

    Screw Faurisson, and screw censorship!
     
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    I never knew the French suffered a holocaust. Whats the history behind that? Were they bludgeoned with begets?
     
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    Good riddance to bad rubbish. I agree that he should never have been prosecuted for his views, but the world is a better place without him.
     
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    After Germany defeated France in 1940 with the "blitzkrieg" and occupied it as far as possible, the persecution, deportation and extermination took place in the concentration camps in France as well as in all areas conquered by Germany.
    The remaining "rest of France" ... commonly called "Vichy-France" in history, often collaborated here with the Germans, partly because French Nazis (who of course called themselves nationalists and patriots, for example, Mercel Déat).
     
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    How many frenchies died?
     
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    About 72,000 French Jews were killed by Nazis in concentration camps, about 150,000 civilians were killed. It is is hard to calculate how many of them were killed by the Nazis due to be Resistance etc. Most famous issue of Nazi terror was the slaughtering of 642 civilians in the Oradur-sur-Glane massacre ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre

    The about in total 6,000,000 killed Jews were not all Germans or from Eastern Europe, they came from all countries which were conquered / occupied by Germany in WW-2!
    Maybe you heard about the story of the jewish girl Anne Frank? She was German, fled before war to Holland and was there cpatured and brought to Auschwitz with many other Dutch Jews!

    https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/anne_frank-the-story-in-brief/
     
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    I heard of Anne Frank, not much to discuss there. I was more interested in the French Holocaust. Its amazing how people can deny written history of what is provable. Kind of like how TYT Chenk can deny the Armenian Genocide.
     
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    You can see that differently and not as part of "Freedom of Speech" etc. Apart from the fact that such a thing is disgusting and an impudence to the Holocaust victims, you can interpret such a thing as sedition and that is right in Europe punishable.

    However, the basic question is whether "Freedom of Speech" includes or should include "Freedom to lie". Because it is difficult and in my opinion is that lying is punishable as soon as it serves the defamation, denigration or even false statement. This is given here in the denial of the Holocuast in my opinion!
     
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    Who knows who is the ONLY person in the entire world who recieved his academic degree from the university, the subject of the thesis was Holocaust denial ?
    The Palestinian leader Abu Mazen .
    Just for your information .......
     
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    I'm very pro Jewish as many posts on here have shown but I always worry when we talk about the holocaust we are forgetting the other 6 million non Jews that died.

    It was not a Jewish holocaust it was a holocaust against mankind! 12 million in the death camps.

    Between 50-80 Million died in WW2 USA and UK just really don't have a clue how lucky we really were between us our fatalities were less than a million.
     
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    WW2 was hell on earth. One of my grandparents was conscripted for barbarossa and a pow, the other one suffered none the less as a civilian. It affected most of europe s population. Post war was just as bad.

    I have his ratio can, as a memory of him but also as a reminder of those not so distant times.
     
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    My granddad was a machinist ended up running a machine shop in the UK so he got lucky. But he was the youngest of 12 and during ww1 he lost all his brothers either in combat or a couple of them died a few years later from the effects of mustard gas. So I think our family paid the price I just find it sad we have not one photo of them :(
     
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    We are the last generation that heard war stories by word of mouth, the rest will be written form
     
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    There is a new book out:
    Debating the Holocaust: A New Look at Both Sides

    Description By Thomas Dalton.

    For the past few decades there has been raging a kind of subterranean debate, one of monumental importance. It is a debate about the Holocaust—not whether or not it “happened,” but rather, how it happened, through what means, and to what extent.

    On the one hand we have the traditional, orthodox view: the 6 million Jewish casualties, the gas chambers, the cremation ovens and mass graves. On the other hand there is a small, renegade band of writers and researchers who refuse to accept large parts of this story. These Revisionists, as they call themselves, present counter-evidence and ask tough questions.

    Among the issues they raise are these:

    There is no trace of a “Hitler order” to exterminate the Jews.
    Key witnesses have either falsified or greatly exaggerated important aspects of their stories.
    Major death camps—Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, and Treblinka —have all but vanished.
    We find little evidence of disturbed earth for mass graves.
    We find few remains of the millions of alleged victims—neither bones nor ash.
    Mass-gassing with Zyklon-B would be nearly impossible.
    Mass-gassing with diesel engine exhaust is practically impossible.
    Wartime air photos of Auschwitz show none of the alleged mass burnings or cremations.
    The 6 million number has no basis in fact, and actually traces back decades before the war.
    Trends in Jewish world population strongly suggest many fewer than 6 million were lost.
    The present number of “survivors”—currently over 1 million—implies few wartime deaths.

    The Revisionists arrive at a different account. Hitler, they say, wanted to expel the Jews, not kill them.
    The ghettos and concentration camps served primarily for ethnic cleansing and forced labor, not mass murder.

    The Zyklon gas chambers did in fact exist, but were used for delousing and sanitary purposes.
    And most important, the Jewish death toll was much lower than commonly assumed—on the order of 500,000.

    In this book, for the first time ever, the reader can now judge for himself. Arguments and counter-arguments for both sides are presented, and all relevant facts are laid out in a clear and concise manner. The entire debate is presented in a scholarly and non-polemical fashion. Citations are marked, and facts are checked.

    https://barnesreview.org/product/debating-the-holocaust-a-new-look-at-both-sides/
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    Truth should be able to stand on its own, doesn't need to be upheld with threats of punishment and jail time. They, the Jews and their supporters, are definitely trying to force something unholy down our throats, considering the extent and length they go to to hunt so called "deniers" and centenarian "Nazis" down. Reminds me of a young German woman who dared to say, "Auschwitz was not a death camp, but a work camp!"
     
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    Here is the "young" German woman...
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    Heroine Ursula Haverbeck goes to prison, as Jews continue to force Deutschland to mistreat its own elderly folk.

    THE JEWISH WORLD IS CELEBRATING! The 89-year-old woman they have dubbed the “Nazi Grandma” has finally been incarcerated in a prison in western Germany for a two year term.

    The laws under which the Federal Republic of Germany (which is a non-Constitutional construct) prosecutes and punishes people like Haverbeck were put in place by the Americans in the late 1940's as a temporary legal structure until the people were “re-educated” enough to form a new Constitution.
    Called the 'Basic Law', it installed the findings of the 'International Tribunal of Major War Criminals' and subsequent post-war tribunals carried out by the WWII victor nations as law that super-cedes any of the freedoms guaranteed to Germans. Under this 'legal' system, non-Germans are given great liberties and protections while the indigenous German people are forced to comply with the multiculturalization and multiracialization, and also subservience to Israel, of their homeland.
    If they publicly express their disagreement, they are arrested, tried, fined and jailed.

    Note that the name of this people in their own language is 'Deutsch' and their country is Deutschland. Land of the Deutsch … land where Germans live.
    The post-war global order wants to destroy nationalism by destroying the nation itself—as said above, by multiculturalizing and multiracializing every European homeland. This is the idea behind 'One Europe.' So Deutsch people are to disappear as a unique product of evolution, so that their superior qualities don't make other, less well-endowed people look bad. And so they won't be able to successfully interfere with the Jewish 'One Europe' plan.

    read on here:

    http://carolynyeager.net/heroine-ur...rce-deutschland-mistreat-its-own-elderly-folk

    U.S.-German secret treaty means Berlin is Washington's vassal until 2099
    https://www.sott.net/article/284252...means-Berlin-is-Washingtons-vassal-until-2099
     
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    In one book I read that is correct, at least at first. Hitler wanted to ship all Jews to Siberia, what was to become of them there I don't recall. Of course war with Stalin killed that plan and so it was changed to eliminate them, but I'm not sure on who's orders.
     
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    What happend was sick but putting people in jail for expressing a opinion stinks. Its not like they go and say it at the few remaining survivors in the face.
     
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    They had to live through the nightmare of Nazism. I think they look at Holocaust denial as the sort of inflammatory rhetoric that could potentially bring about a resurgence. People are prone to believe in fantasies over facts, as fantasies require no work to understand and are emotionally appealing.
     
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    Well, I read they wanted them to go to Palestine, America, Canada and Madagascar. The French didn't want them there; the Americans and Canadians sent the ships back to Europe where they languished in the Mediterranean Sea, as the British also refused them to enter Palestine. Eventually, they were allowed to disembark. Hitler had even provided the ships and offered the Americans to keep them. Must have been old ships.
    The Jews in Germany could not be trusted. They had already sold Germany down the river during the First WW. That's why Germany lost.
    Also they had a trade war going against Germany... told the world not to buy any goods from Germany. That was nasty! Jews are very influential all over the world, especially in finance and business. The Germans' livelihood depends on export.
    Therefore, they had to be interned during the Second WW. The deportations only started during the war in 1941/42, I believe.
    The Americans did the same with the Japanese and perhaps the Chinese citizens, too.
    Years ago I read Benjamin Freedman... he explains it all very nicely, makes sense.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
     
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    Too bad Madagascar didn't work out.
    I wonder, were the Jews not welcomed by the Bolsheviks? Bolsheviks were mostly Jews.
    They totally missed asking Russia to take them in.
     
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    No, Stalin actually was trying to create an autonomous Russian Jewish regional territory incorporated within the Soviet Union near Siberia. The project failed miserably because all the Russian Jews emigrated to the newly founded state of Israel. Shortly afterwards Stalin had a falling out with the Russian Jewish community and started his own political purges of Russian Jews also.

    Hitler's plan originally was for Madagascar but overtime made concessions for German Ashkenazi Jews to emigrate to then Palestine in creating Jewish Settlements but it backfired tremendously during the war.
     
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