French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

As far as I know the Armenians don't have a huge influential lobby in Washington D.C. or receive billions of dollars in foreign aid every year.

 

Except there is nobody on this forum that I'm aware of that is calling for the killing of anybody.

Also, the more you ban, censor, or what have you the more bolder we become.

You're not going to be able to censor or ban us out of existence, in fact it is having the opposite effect that you're hoping for.


I like to see myself as an ambassador of the political fringe representing here on this forum. Everybody always wonders what those extremists think, believe, or express where I'm here to let everyone know.

 

The biggest mistake of the Third Reich was putting Jews in internment camps only later for them to die in which I think was not intentional at all. What should of been done through the German navy or army is an enforced removal of expulsion and deportation of them all to whatever destination they wanted to go outside of Germany.

If they wanted their Jewish settlements in then Palestine Germany should of just put them all on transport ships sending them over there with supplies.

They're removed, left unharmed, and reside somewhere else outside the country, problem solved.

In an alternate time line that would of been the best more logical approach to things. I don't understand why options like that were not pursued.

 

Good rebuttal, Clausewitz!
I am appalled about BIG fellow, an American, to raise his voice against the German Third Reich, when his own country still has blood dripping from its hand from killing 20 - 30 million people across the world since the end of WWII!

U.S. regime has killed 20-30 million people since World War Two

https://www.sott.net/article/273517...lled-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

Here is a video about the killing of 1.7 million German POWs AFTER the war in 1945


The narrator asks, why didn't the Germans use this simple and inexpensive method to kill the Jews? I wonder, too... why didn't they IF they wanted to kill all the Jews in Europe? Why bother housing, clothing and feeding them? Why have a swimming pool, a library, a store, Post Office, nursery, theater and hospital for the prisoners? And WHY, for Pete's sake, did they let the International Red Cross in to check on the prisoners?

 

The funny thing about the left is they always reference Nazis or the Holocaust but, where are they with all the millions of people combined in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Yemen? Where is their moral outrage on that? Where's their standing up against genocide then?

Of course all throughout western civilization white Europeans are becoming a minority where we face a future of disappearing off the entire world permanently but, where is their outrage or condemnation of that? Nowhere to be found where in fact many cheer it on, it's almost like they want us to meet a certain historical demise.

Yes, as far as systematically killing an entire group of people goes bullets are more faster and cheaper rather than gassing which is a very tedious, expensive, and slow way of achieving mass murder. If your intent is murder it just seems like a waste of time, resources, effort, and equipment when bullets are so readily available.

 

Afterwards it is easy to say they should have and could have.
I think, they figured they would win the war and then emigrate the Jews back to Russia where they originally came from... Khasaria.

 

The so called Holocaust Deniers are not saying that they want to kill Jews or that it was a good idea. I have met people here in America who idolize Hitler and believe that the Nazis killed 6,000,000 Jews and that it is a shame they didn't get all of them. I could see making it illegal for these types to start trying to get a gang together again or propagandizing in print or other mediums. However the people like Farruson are denying that certain things happened, not advocating for mass genocide. That's not the same thing Alek and as far as libel, these so called deniers are suggesting that others like the German people in general have been libeled by liars who have suggested that they committed horrendous acts that they say never happened. I was not there and I have no dog in this fight, but I think locking people up for disputing certain parts of history is not right.

 

Let us imagine a hypothetical alternate timeline where Holocaust skepticism wasn't made illegal or a form of so called hate speech where it is discovered no intentional systematic mass murder took place at all. Well the world would look quite different now, wouldn't it?

The world wouldn't of been able to use the Holocaust as a pretext of demonizing white Europeans into a guilt complex in order to justify multiracial integration of western nations via foreign immigration as a way of destroying ethnic, racial, or cultural identity of white Europeans. The marxist propaganda framework of racism would of never took off in dismantling whole nations and eliminating racial identity.

Europe wouldn't of been able to adequately demonize nationalism in the formation of such international institutions like the E.U. in stripping entire nations of their sovereign right of self determining themselves autonomously.

Founding the state of Israel wouldn't of been so easy to do in rationalization without being heavily contested by others in that there would of been no reasonable justification for it.

Yet in our present timeline the Holocaust has been utilized to do all of that overtime, really makes you think.

 

Not true at all.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how-to-refute-holocaust-denial

Read point 1, where they show the evidence they have. Most of it consists in written documents, testimonies from the perpetrator side, and aerial photos.

Jews who have seen a gas chamber are pretty unlikely to be survivors.

Ah, the classic "why didn't they shoot them"?

1) They did. And on a massive scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

"Paramilitary death squads called Einsatzgruppen in cooperation with Wehrmacht police battalions and local collaborators murdered around 1.3 million Jews in mass shootings between 1941 and 1945."

2) Death camps have a huge advantage over mass shootings : the secret. Killing someone is easy, but not being seen, not so much. Shootings leave bodies. Crematoria leave only ash, that is easy to dispose of in nature and leaves no trace. Shooting people in the open leaves witnesses. Killing them in a closed room leaves none.
They seem to have done a pretty good job at that, seeing the deniers on this thread.

 

I think the bullets were needed to shoot the Russians!!! Just kidding, I really don't know. But I am pretty certain the Germans had no intention to kill the Jews, otherwise they would have save themselves all this trouble of housing, feeding and done what Eisenhower did with the German POWs. All the grizzly stories we hear are written and published by Germany's enemies, you have to take it all with a grain of salt or extra caution.

 

Even if what they say about the Holocaust is true which I have my doubts on the fact is that Jews historically have been the forerunners every time for multiracial integration and foreign immigration all throughout western civilization. One wonders if their ideological thinking or supporting of both historically is a form of intentional and institutional collective revenge on white Europeans everywhere being carried out.

"You once tried to kill all of us in the Holocaust where now we're going to enact our collective revenge by finding other more subtle stealth ways of killing you all off by other means, our collective revenge will become complete."


"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

The holocaust became a cash cow, a big business, an industry (read Finkelstein). Not only are the Germans being exploited, Americans, too!

 

You know a good source of Holocaust proof? The Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich is loaded with proof.

What annoys me though is some take the evidence found in that book and exaggerate it. The Nazis kept records. Those seem pretty accurate. Use them and knock off the exaggerations.

 

Documents can be fabricated and witnesses especially of ex German soldiers could of been coerced into giving false testimonies to save their own lives from a life in prison or worse execution.

Until I see mass burials of bones or human remains all throughout Europe at all the so called death camps I will remain a skeptic. As far as I know Jewish religious groups and state governments will not allow such investigations to take place.

What's interesting is that a lot of so called death camps were discovered by Russian Soviets first but for some reason we're suppose to trust Soviet accounts because they were a bastion of truth, intellectual honesty, or moral integrity, right?

 

Seems true to me.

I wonder if in Israel this is also exploited.

Now, I never have nor will deny the mass numbers of Jews murdered in cold blood by the Nazi party. But this is not 1945 or 46 or 1959, This is a very old situation. Germans of today have no intention to kill jews.

 

Yet the Holocaust is always shouted out as a way of continuing multiracial integration or foreign immigration because if you don't support either you're an evil racist nazi and literally the living incarnate of Hitler.

 

Shirer's book actually took his data from German records. Nazis loved to keep records. Yes the Russians found the camps. But the Russians did not build them. BTW how can you track the results of a Crematorium? i have seen arguments too that the crematoriums lacked capacity to burn that many bodies. i researched the modern crematorium that burns the body for 4 hours. Were the Germans that good to make them burn faster than that?

 

Some people have pointed out that the camps were physically altered especially after the Soviets came onto the scene of things for propaganda purposes against Germans but of course nobody can investigate these things because it's illegal.

To burn that many bodies for that long bone remnants would of inevitably existed requiring mass burials to hide the evidence.


The most important question, where's the mass burials located?

 

How hard could it be to fabricate German records, documents, communications, or letters in 1945?

Think about what we can do with Photoshop today on computers.

 

Due to the lack of technology of the 40s and yes even the 50s, Shirer could not have tampered with German official records.

I was in the US Army in Germany from 1962-64. My work was then in an Army office. I had no way to copy a thing. When I typed up reports to go into the archives, I got the reports signed and after they could be used by a special machine to make copies. But the copies did not pass as originals. They clearly were copies.

http://cool.conservation-us.org/bytopic/repro/nadeau1.html

 

Good points. But I am ending my journey on this topic for now. Best to you for asking questions.

 

BINGO!!! The "NAZI" is still a very useful tool to threaten anyone!! In Germany they call it the Nazikeule = Nazi club.
I love the "Nazis"! I grew up with them; I suffered with them. To me they are not at all evil or malicious or cruel... they are my parents, my brothers, my neighbors for Heavens sake!! The nicest people you could meet anywhere... honest, decent, friendly and helpful to friend or foe. That's how I know them, and that is how they taught me to be through their example!

 

Well, the word "Holocaust" is defined differently by different people.

Yad Vashem institute defines Holocaust as the systematic murder of Jews. But Nizkor ("we will remember" or "let's remember" - Hebrew) enhances the definition to include all those murdered in cold blood by the Nazis and their allies.

http://www.nizkor.org/

Clicking on the link will not only provide posters with a valuable resource on the Holocaust, but also with the real reason behind Holocaust denial.

 

You know wrong.

https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/97604

It might come as a shock to you, but Germany didn't own the world back in the 30s. All the places you mentioned were not under German rule.

White guilt is not the result of the Holocaust. About half of the victims were white Europeans - Russians, Poles, Germans, French. White guilt is the deformed offspring of hasty generalization - you know, that thing some people do when they claim a whole group of millions is inherently thinking and acting exactly the same in all geographical areas throughout centuries and millennia - and self flagellation for other people's deeds. It's mostly the result of rejection of racism and colonialism, which is not a bad thing in itself, but some people take it a bit too far.

We have the equivalent of "white guilt" flock. We call them "self-hating Jews". And yes, I despise both groups.

The state of Israel stands firm on the foundation of an international treaty (which generates international law): the San Remo Treaty of 1920. Nothing to do with the Holocaust.

 

Yes... you live in the United States and of course the US wasn't occupied during WW2. The US mainland was never bombed, nor were any Jews ever deported by an occupying force.
Apart from American soldiers dying overseas the continental US never suffered mass civilian casualties or mass destruction due to the war.
In fact, WW2 was just a far away business that really never bothered any farmer in Kansas or any housewife in New York. They didn't suffer the trauma of war, nor did their children inherit that legacy.

So that part of wartime history is not in the DNA of the United States. And, sadly, your Holocaust denial is a symptom of that history. Or rather, your Holocaust denial is defined by your education.

How can you relate to something (history-wise) that never happened?

Imagine if Nazi-Germany had bombed New York, Los Angeles and had occupied the entire US.
Imagine the mass deportations of Jews to concentration-camps all over US soil. (The Nazi's loved building concentration-camps.)

If that had happened then US history-books would be defined by it, as would the children of that war-generation. And those after it. That means you.
And I CAN GUARANTEE you would not use the language you employ now.
At a minimum you would have empathy for that history, for you would be defined by it.

Alas, you don't know any better for you were never taught any different. Such is the fate of American history.

I would advise you, therefore, to study WW2 from a European perspective.

And don't skip the part where our Jews are gassed en mass by the Nazi's.

Terrible but true.