French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

If you want to think about how massive WWII was, realize that Russia had over 400 Infantry Divisions. I've read 500 a couple of times. Those are pure "line" units. That just boggles the mind.

 

Oh yeah, you sure picked a real winner there!!

Timothy Snyder’s Lies

When is a bad book important? When it tackles an important topic, for one thing, something meaty and emotional such as, say, Nazism and the Holocaust.

In one of his trillion? books he argued that the real reason for the death of six million Jews was not Nazism per se but an “eliminationist” mindset that had taken hold of the German psyche decades earlier and that only Americanization (a.k.a. Multiculturalism) could expunge — music to the ears, needless to say, of fans of “the indispensable nation.”

Now he is into Putin bashing...
following the annexation of the Crimea, Snyder was writing that Putin represented a threat not just to the Ukraine but to the entire European community. The Russian leader, he wrote, has two goals in mind:
Read on here...
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/
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Funny, he doesn't bash Israel and Netanyahu! I wonder why?

 

Why no reply to my post on Brozat? Why don't you want to discuss his views on gassing any more? Suddenly he is no longer relevant? How incredibly dishonest.

You have already made it clear that there is no evidence you will accept, so what is my motivation to waste my time? You have also made it clear that you are fine with deliberately misrepresenting historians in order to get to your conclusion - that only about 500,00 Jews were killed by the Nazis.

Other posts of yours (to which I will reply at some point) indicate that you are generally incapable of separating lies you want to believe from factual information that contradicts your beliefs, and you seem unmotivated to challenge those beliefs by seeking out reputable sources.

In short, there is no good reason for me to present you with evidence of an established fact in the knowledge that you will simply dismiss it as lies or fabrications.

 

I suggest you deal with the issues. That you believe when speaking of the holocaust he should be bashing Israel and Netanyahu just shows how completely you have lost it.

and, it is Daniel Goldhagen’s 1996 book Hitler’s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, who your link is claiming argued that

not Snyder.

 

you got people believing weird **** on all kind of subjects, as long as they don't try to push it on the rest i honestly don't care if somebody doesn't believe it.
i would personally find it far worse if they say it happend and think it was a OK thing to do.

 

You knew TWO of them... Wow... I bet you have a single jewish friend also... And an homosexual! Incredible!

Not that you had any credibility before, but you're now in the negative!

 

Since the Poster to whom you responded apparently lived in Germany during WW2, why should their eyewitness account be any more or less credible than anyone else's accounts whom you believe?
I lived, worked & studied in Germany & elsewhere in Europe in the mid 1970s and have known hundreds of individuals of various nationalities, religions & ethnic groups whose eyewitness accounts conflict with the standard holocaust / Allied narrative.

When discussing such a volatile and emotionally charged topic as this, it is especially important to remember 2 salient realities.
1. The Victors write the history.
2. The first casualty of war is the Truth.

Finally, snarky & sarcastic comments do little for your own credibility.

Thanks

 

Sometimes the losers write the history, too. Witness those German generals who
wrote the history of the Russian campaign - blaming Hitler instead of themselves.
Their account has long colored perceptions about the Eastern Front.
And we have more credible German accounts of where those missing six million
Jews went.
Have you been to a holocaust museum? What effected me was the SMELL of
thousands of shoes - the body odor was still in them.

 

I'm not sure about total Holocaust denial, but I certainly do question the official story and believe things may have been grossly overstated. The fact that it's illegal to even question this official narrative in Europe is a HUGE red flag to me.

 

You'd have to start with the War Trials, which were largely considered sham-trials at that period of time.

Plus, as you have posted, people believe in the story mostly because of sentiment and the fact that the holocaust story is beaten into our heads at a very young age. I mean...stinky shoes? That's the evidence that you rely on?

Many of the Germans who testified against themselves did so, obviously, from a position of extreme disadvantage, or great gain. Some were facing death, but as we know, some where accepted into the west and became affluent members of society. Nazi Commanders, mind you. The so-called Lieutenants of Evil. Assuming that- at the least- all wars have a certain degree of propaganda from both sides, questioning this narrative might be healthier for you...and others.

 

Frankly, I doubt there ever WAS a "second world war"
I suspect this account was spun by the Americans to occupy and dominate
Europe.
Where is this "Adolf Hitler"? Has anyone found his grave? There's not even
bone or ash from this perhaps mythic figure of evil.
Killing of sixty million people is all but impossible with conventional weapons.
Where are the graves of sixty million people?
The Americans faked the moon landing, in front of millions of people - they
most likely faked an entire war.

 

Old Reich = Germany. Death camps were in Poland.

Perfectly normal, since keeping the secret from their own population was of utmost importance.

I'm prefectly well informed and educated. I have read all the Holocaust denial drivel you can think of, and made my own opinion on it. It's nothing but ideologically motivated lies.

No surprise here. Aktion T4 wasn't about hunting down mentally retarded people who lived with their families. It was about killing hospital patients to save money.

Loitering? Then he was never identified as a homosexual in the first place!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_genocide

"Historians estimate that between 220,000 and 500,000 Romani were killed by the Nazis and their collaborators—25% to over 50% of the slightly fewer than 1 million Roma in Europe at the time."

Half of them survived. Just because they weren't all killed doesn't mean there was no genocide.

 

He didn't live there during ww2.

 

Partially true but irrelevant. Evidence stands on its own merit right now, it doesn't matter what that court said 70 years ago.

People believe 2+2=4 because it's been beaten into their heads from a very young age. That's how teaching *anything* works. So how is that a point???

And what's their reason for confessing to a crime they didn't commit, which expectedly earned them the death penalty? Where's the "great gain"???

 

Yes, I'm aware that German soldiers wrote books but that's not the same thing as controlling the narrative such as determining who sees what via Hollywood or on the grotesquely fraudulent "History Channel" or the crass marketing of the holocaust by the multi-billion dollar, profit driven "Holocaust Industry" as was exposed by Norman Finkelstein.

No, I haven't been to any of America's glut of grisly & sensationalized holocaust theme parks because of their credibility problems & like most Americans, I feel adequately familiar with the "product" they have been marketing for decades.

If the smelly shoe exhibit that affected you so much is the same one I read about, you should know that the shoes did not come from camp inmates & the size of the pile is exaggerated by the use of a plywood pyramid on which the shoes are placed. There weren't "thousands of shoes" as you were led to believe.
A credible museum would have only authentic shoes without fake props from the period known to have been worn by actual inmates for educational purposes.
In other words, an inflated pile of smelly shoes from anyone is intended to appeal to your emotions, like other theme parks, not inform you like a real museum.

 

^ This is the type of response you get when you ask questions about the holocaust, lol. America's elite minds...

 

This doesn't even make sense.

The point is what is taught to you isn't always true. What is held as a fact isn't always a fact.

Avoiding torture, a real or false promise of freedom and or compensation of some kind... Could be anything.

 

I've read other Posts by the same individual who is a female & my understanding is that she did live in Germany during WW2.

Why don't you simply ask?

I tend to believe what Posters say about themselves until they contradict themselves.

What have you got to lose?

 

Avoiding torture by claiming that you committed genocide, which obviously earns you the death penalty?

Instead of saying "these guys threatened me with torture" in an open trial which is a very good shot at getting protected from them and then acquitted???

A promise of freedom? For someone who just admitted they gassed millions of people in a trial broadcast worldwide?

 

There's been plenty of people falsely killed while screaming their innocence to people who have no interest in it.

Death is sometimes favorable to torture...or some other punishments.

The West has accepted former Nazi officers into their society. They have not only evaded punishment, but been hired in an array of government positions or found great success in economic ventures. Look at Kim Jung. One year he's called one of the greatest human rights violators living. The next he's a fine leader. The war was sold as a battle between good and evil- like most- but reality is a lot less juvenile.

 

WOW, a ton of words with no substance or facts, just lies about my person.
Listen, why don't you finally present your facts? Give us the absolute raw truth about the Germans gassed 6 000 000 Jews to death! Please! Make it plain and simple, so there is no room for doubt. Here is your chance.
I'll wait again!

 

I've been online since the good old days of the BBS. I've learned to never believe online biographical tidbit. Too many people trying to pass themselves for what they're not or seems to have lived and seen all . Call it the Forest Gump effect. And this forum has so many sock account for anyone to take personal "experience" at face value.

But just for **** and giggles, let just take Jazz point that there isn't any proof that Hitler ordered the killing of the Jews. That's an easy one if one know his WW2 history. There isn't an Hitler order because that "final solution" to the jewish question was issued by Goering, who was #2 at the time, and left to the SS to decide what that final solution would be.

You see, Hitler was a politician and was well aware of the "plausible deniability" principle. He already had to deal with the T4 program backlash. Hitler had already threaten the jews that there would be hell to pay if the war turned badly in his speeches and when he declared war on the USA the jews lost all value as hostages. Goering and Himmler knew exactly what Hitler meant and they acted according to Hitler wishes.

 

Nobody ever said 6 millions jews were gassed. They were killed in many deliberated ways including but not exclusively by lethal gas. You're being dishonest by saying that.

 

Except that there is no evidence to validate the established fact as truth. There's conjecture and correlation, but no direct evidence.

In the end, the best method would be for both sides to revisit the subject and reevaluate it piece by piece.

 

Yes, the number 6 million was made as the official count, as well as other numbers- some more and some less. This number was settled on after a period of deliberation. It is why the number 6 million is so often repeated. It was the number I was taught in school as well.