French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

There isn't any direct evidences?

What would you accept as evidence? If you put the bar high enough no one could prove the sun rose this morning... A bit lower and you can't prove the existance of any historical persons or events. WW2 is the most studied and documented war in history. You still have people alive today who lived through it on both side. Skeptism is good, but like anything it become toxic if you overdose on it.

 

No one ever said the 6 millions were GASSED! Killed yes, but not all by gasing.

 

I am not American - I am just taking conspiracy to its logical conclusion.
Remember - history is bunk.

 

I understand that. Is this supposed to be evidence of 6 million deaths?

 

The question is what do you accept as evidence? If there's no direct evidence, then why do you believe in it so strongly?

People overdose on their own sense of certainty all the time...

 

You aren't taking conspiracy to it's logical conclusion. That would imply at least some degree of investigation. You're attempting to be funny.

 

I don't know of anyone who doubts that Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals etc were persecuted by the Germans (and others) but if one is to believe the ADL, only about 1/3 of the world believes the standard holocaust narrative ("6 million Jews killed", "homicidal gas chambers", bone crushing machines, blood geysers etc)

Millions of innocent men women & children of all nationalities, ethnic & religious groups were victims in an unimaginable orgy of cruelty that erupted around the world subsequent to the grotesque Treaty of Versailles.
I simply don't believe that the suffering of any one group of people is somehow more profound simply because of their nationality, ethnic or religious group.



”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED

 

O.k., let me ask you, how come none of the corpses shown to have been gassed do have the telltale red skin mark?

http://www.nazigassings.com/

Nonsense! It was a humanitarian consideration to relieve the most severely retarded people from their misery. It makes absolute sense, but... if you believe in reincarnation, then it does not. The trapped soul apparently has to suffer in order to learn an important lesson.

Of course, YOU would know! Go away and stop being so obsessed with demeaning the German people.

I see! Good to have you around to disperse the truth. Finally I get told the real truth about my homeland. Of course, you are trustworthy and reliable since you lived there and witnessed everything evil the Germans did... or, short of that, you got the wikipedia!!.
Wiki mentions Hancock, a.k.a. Yanko le Redžosko as a source of info on the Romani people. Hancock has published more than 300 books and articles on the Romani people and language. He does not qualify as an unbiased, neutral source in the Romani gassing since he is one of them.
So, you got some better source than the Zionist controlled Wikipedia? How about some pictures of dead Romas? Where were they gassed? I know, not on German ground!!!

 

O.k., I would be satisfied, if you would at least show me a handful of cases where Jews were killed by gassing them in a gas chamber during WWII, either in or outside of Germany.

 

Do you want an exact tally? That number was an approximation at best as not all deaths were recorded, especially in Russia, and there was a war going on. We know how much jews were shipped from occupied countries and how many made it back (not many). In Russia the situation was pretty chaotic after 1942 but we do know that the einzatsgruppen were following the army and killing off whole villages at a time. They liquidated pretty much all jews from the baltic states, mostly by shooting them.

The number is probably less than 6 millions but still in the millions, I don't know if it makes any difference in the criminality or veracity of the act.

 

Not just Europe! It is also forbidden in Canada... see Ernst Zundel, who was incarcerated in Toronto and then deported to Germany.

https://www.680news.com/2017/08/07/ernst-zundel-deported-canada-holocaust-denial-charges-dies-78/
That is another fighter for truth gone.
The chief executive officer of the Canadian Jewish Congress called Zundel “one of the most renowned hatemongers.”
“That will be his final epitaph,” Bernie Farber said.

 

What "corpses claimed to have been gassed" are you even talking about? They're ash.

Hey, someone who denies that the Nazis committed mass murder justifying mass murder himself!

It's a very common theme among Holocaust deniers.

You just claimed a homosexual got arrested for loitering and got released as "evidence" that homosexuals weren't gassed. There's no reason to believe that the Nazis even knew he was a homosexual, which makes your anecdote completely meaningless. Since that has been exposed you resort to silly attacks that fool no one.

No. If you keep posting Holocaust denial propaganda on this thread I'll keep shredding it. I'm not going anywhere.

Facts not on your side? Pull the race card. A classic.

The German people aren't responsible for the crimes of Himmler and the SS. It was kept a secret from them.

A classic argument from reality deniers. Young earth creationists use that one a lot too. "Were you there to see evolution?".

Yeah, there's such a thing called evidence. Doesn't require you to "be there and see". You have no point.

I quoted Wikipedia to give the official version of the Holocaust. And the official version is perfectly consistent with your anecdotes, so your anecdotes show nothing that we didn't already know.

 

There is direct evidence since many victims and perpetrators lived through it and were alive to witness it. Many of the people directly implicated in reaching the final solution didn't get the death penalty. Albert Speer who himself used slave labor and worked them to death in his weapons plants survived the war.

Also, don't take this badly, but as I said previously skeptism is ok but you're doing an overdose of it. What you want is a time machine, not proof. You seem to believe that since you haven't witness it yourself it didn't happen even though survivors, perpetrators and the mountain of physical evidence and document shows that it did.

 

Humanitarian? Lol.

Btw, romani were killed in many ways also, not all were gassed.

And now you're eliminating Romani sources as biased? So the victims have no say in your world?
What about german sources? Of french, belgian, dutch? Or would you only accept the words of the one who did the crime, oh wait, many of them lived a long life and did acknowledge the crime.

 

I am under the impression like David Irving that if such activities did take place Adolf Hitler was completely unaware of them.

It's like atrocities committed in Afghanistan and Iraq by the United States military, the president doesn't authorize them where instead it is authorized by military commanders.

This happens all the time in warfare throughout history when you have rogue military generals or commanders conducting activities without oversight of the the government itself.

 

Suffering might be the same, but there's a significant difference between Jews and Roma on one side, and other people who were persecuted for being dissidents, or Jehovah Witnesses, or members of the resistance. People persecuted for their opinions can change - or pretend to change - their opinions to avoid persecution. Jews and Roma can't change who they are. There was nothing a Jew, or a Roma, or a disabled person could do to avoid persecution. They were not imprisoned and killed for something they did, but for who they were. Likewise the Russian POWs.

Having people killed simply because of the circumstances of their birth is what Nazis and their allies did, and this is what makes Holocaust different from other types of persecution.

 

I think this is more to do with Jazz's ancestry. One of the things I have heard spoken about a lot is the inability of German's of the Nazi era to understand that what they did was wrong which is what Jazz appears to be repeating. It was the next generation who made it clear to them that what they did was totally unacceptable and some but not all were able to see this. It may give some credence to Daniel Goldhagen’s 1996 book Hitler’s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, who believed that it came from a set mindset. (I haven't read the book so that is just a might). However it also would be true that that mindset was much broader at the time. The US for instance was way out on Eugenics. The German generation born after the war however made clear to its parents that they found this totally unacceptable.

If people were born to those involved in the holocaust era and did not have the experience which went on in Western Germany then particularly due to the denial of those involved that they did anything wrong, it would not be surprising if the children or even the grandchildren believed what they said.

Only the gassing may have been. Rummaging through all kinds of material has made it clear that the German people were well aware of what was happening to the Jews and others including mass killings.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/feb/17/johnezard

However the German people now are not responsible. They do not think like that and that is largely thanks to the children of those involved in the Nazi era, the ones of the West who worked through things. The hope is that their children and grandchildren as well as those of the rest of Europe do not forget.

My family has a Nazi past. I see that ideology returning across Europe

 

You say "few"? How many survivors would that be?

 

That is a new idea! I never thought of that before. Let me investigate... it will take time, have to consult some German folks.

 

Once more:: How come none of the corpses shown to have been gassed do have the telltale red skin mark?

 

I am a little elderly and need to take a break!

 

Sure, you can always say that Himmler did it without Hitler's knowledge.

But even then you can clearly see many examples of Hitler explicitly talking about killing Jews. It's not like Hitler was much into non-violence...

http://ww2history.com/key_moments/Holocaust/Hitler_talks_of_Jewish_annihilation
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hitler-s-threats-against-the-jews-1941-1945

And there's that quote from the Kersten memoirs where Himmler explicitly said the order to kill Jews came from Hitler, and where he was worried Hitler would have him hanged if he didn't carry it out.

 

The thing is that I have heard much of these stories and seen things that are submitted as evidence. I don’t doubt that a great many Jews died in WW2, but how many does make a difference because it’s often sold as the greatest tragedy and overshadows the tragedies of many others who faced similar if not equal fates. However, only the Jews were given extraordinary reparations and continue to benefit from it.

The problem is that the sources of information are as suspect as the information itself. You may present me with information, and I may present you with information. Neither can really validate it without hearsay or appeal to authority and so without demonstratable proof, I have cause for doubt. I have seen, however, various exaggerations and fictions promoted as truth concerning the WW to believe more that this very extreme situation may not have played out as it did.

We are basically given information and left to draw conclusions we are guided to, then told that further actual investigation beyond the likes of the back and forth we are having here is illegal. In the US, you get called some version of an anti-Semite.

 

You can't even make a simple reply without deliberately misrepresenting claims about the holocaust. Which historians claim 6 million were gassed? Give me names & publications?

Too hard?

Well how about discussing the historian YOU raised - Martin Brozat. Why don't you want to talk about him any more? Isn't he credible any more? he was a few days ago when you posted a 50+ year old claim he made about gassing in the 'Old Reich'. What happened?

 

There is a great deal of direct evidence. Eyewitness accounts. Documents. Physical evidence. That is all the evidence required.