Future King of England labels Putin as Hitler

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Putin lied about troops in Crimea.

    Putin killed hundreds of Russians in the apartment bombings, arrested the investigator, and then sealed the files for 75 years.

    he cannot be trusted.
     
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    Nah. It might look like a neoZionist land-grab but it isn't.

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    Not even Neddy Seagoon can save him this time.
     
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    no, Putin just kills his political opponents.

    and passes laws making it illegal to critisize Russia.
     
  4. vis

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    What Putin lied about troops in Crimea? It was known to everyone that there were Russian basis in Crimea, Sevastopol is actually the base for The Russian Black Sea Navy. The troops were there legal, so he had no reasons to lie.
     
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    (laughs) You can not be read without laughing.
    1.
    Germany reunited only through the kindness of Russia. Such as Britain and France were against. And many others. Naturally hear from Germans "thank you the Russian for unified Germany" is not real. If judged by you, the Germans are very not grateful.
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    Won what? Maybe Russia is in occupation as germany?
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    USSR collapsed by mutual agreement and not due to lesions. Eg as 3 Reich.
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    Germany is in occupation. With the big problems in the economy. With a large external and internal debt. Deprived of its gold reserves. In a large dependence on Russia.
    I do not understand what you are proud of.
     
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    (laughs) I can not answer your text properly because I be banned.
     
  7. Ronstar

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    the troops were allowed to stay in the Navy bases.

    NOT outside the bases.
     
  8. Fabien

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    Dear vis,

    I do really respect you, so we disagree, but believe me:

    First: Putin: "you can buy such uniforms everywhere in Russia - there is no russian army in Crimea". I did hear him in the news word by word.

    Second: "I graduate our russian troops for their professional job they did in Crimea".

    I would say Putin did proof himself beeing a liar.

    A liar cannot be trusted. I do not trust him, he should not be trusted by anyone anymore because of such bahaviour.

    He lies. And he lies with a system. Like others, but here we go: he is the president. Bad bad example to his people...


    Greets
     
  9. Fabien

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    Travel to the suburbs of Volgograd. Look at the people drinking Vodka all day long in trains. Look at russian industry. All is about petrol and gas only.

    Look at your nice reaction about a human beeing, the transvestite ("I spit on him).

    Do you know (forget about all) what the last sentense (your behaviour towards human beeings) and your ideas about people from Kafkas do cause in me?

    Guess what...

    I would say: you are uncultured. You do not share common values. Your hate towards gay or transvestites, to say that clearly, makes you in my eyes in the same area as those you had to fight from 1941 - 1945.

    You are of the same kind. So if Russia is filled (IF IT IS FILLED AND MY IDEAS ARE RIGHT HERE) with people like you, you lost.

    You lost:

    Culture
    Behaviour
    Contenance
    Symphatie
    Tolerance
    living quality


    you lost actually yourself to crazynism.

    If I am wrong and you are more or less a single case or almost, I would say you are of the same kind as german Neonazis. They are a small minority, discusting, stupit, but they exist,

    It depends. But I am afraid Russia is full of people like you. I indeed would hope that I am 100% wrong. I want to me mistaken about that, believe me.

    I am afraid not...

    Putin is doing what you expect him to do: he makes anti-gay laws, he invades in its neighbors countries, he does not respect others...that he laughs as an idiot about germans investing in the Energiewende is stupit, but ok. That he does infiltre russians with his banal simple minded undemocratic mentality, is in fact a reason to vomit for every real russian patriot.

    A real russian patriot, shall feel as me. Discusted ^^
     
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    That's the same all over, isn't it? Do wealthy Germans get away without paying taxes? Do wealthy Germans or Greeks create jobs?

    Seems the world we find ourselves in is one in which the return on capital is simply higher than it is on labor and production. How long do you think that can be sustained?
     
  11. Fabien

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    Nope. Millionaies Reeders in Greece do pay NO tax. Zero.

    Only about 1000 people all over Greece are registrated to earn more than 100 000 € / year. That is a joke. They are 10 million people.

    That does mean: Only the poor pay, people with some more and rich do not.

    Why shall people who earn little money in Germany pay for these millionaires in Greece?
     
  12. Jeannette

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    How about a link? :giggle:
     
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    I wouldn't pay any attention, his credibility was lost a long time ago.
     
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    Yanukovich was still the legal president of Ukraine, and his permission was all that was needed. There are signed papers by the E.U. proving it.
     
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    It's a club. If Germany was about to default, the poor people in Greece would be forced to bail out your millionaires. It's called "Millionaire Cronyism for the 21st Century".

    We're lucky here in America in that we didn't have to filter our bailouts through another country. Big money in this country is about to go bust and BOOM!, straight to the taxpayer.
     
  16. vis

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    Dear Fabien and Ronstar
    OK, let us recognize that Putin did not tell the truth. Russian troops were beyond the places they had to be located. But then I can argue that this helped to avoid war on the territory of Crimea. I think that if there were no troops there the Crimea would certainly follow the scenario of Eastern Part of Ukraine, including Donbass. So if you put on the balance the peace in the region and troops outside of the bases, the peace is more important than anything else.
     
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    Send Bluebottle and Eccles to his aid.
     
  18. Jeannette

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    Link please that Putin said there were no troops in Crimea? He might not have admitted that the polite men in Green taking over the borders to prevent a coup after Crimea had declared its independence were Russians, rather than the Crimean national guard, but did he lie outright? Regardless he wouldn't have admitted it if it was not legal, also he must be very proud because even the American Generals were amazed at the proficiency and how no one was killed.:applause:

    Anyway I have read Putin's speeches, (have you?) as well as everything Lavrov says and have the highest regard for both of them ....something I can't say about my own government. But then again what can on expect from those who have lost all moral and ethical boundaries.
     
  19. Jeannette

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    Link please?

    Wasn't it Goebbels that said if you repeat a lie often enough it will be believed no matter how ridiculous. A very trustworthy and moral man now wasn't he? Couldn't we say the same then for everyone who follows his values?:nod:
     
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    I think he just didn't admit they were Russian troops. Anyway here's something interesting on it from a non Western site. What is a pity is that the video was removed, maybe for security reasons.

    Anyway you are right, the most important thing is that no one was killed, which is to Putin's credit. Can we say the same for any other military operation?
     
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    I think in two steps:

    1. Yes, the poor greecs do deserve all solidary and I am willing that Germany pays to bail them ou.

    2. The greek goverment must be forced in exchange to tax the rich far far more. If tehy refuse, no money.

    The one who pays can and has the right to ask for something that all is not keep on beeing the bad way.

    So: money yes, money to millionaies from poor germans: no.
     
  22. Fabien

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    Let's say France (just a story for example) would send troops to luxembourg - may be 100 000. And would tell the minister: You surrender or we nuke you.

    I tell you something: they will vote 100% for France for not beeing nuked.

    No victims, all clean, all peaceful....NOT!

    So is Crimea. And btw...the tatares do suffer right now.

    In according to your example, the occupation of the Sudedes in 1938 was perfectly ok.

    What a moral, what a view...

    No. Crimea is occupied and that was done by violence.

    If a man rapes a woman witzh a gun to her haed and tells you:

    "well, I do not beat her!"

    Same logic

    The whole issue is about something different.

    1. Putin does not know how to repear russian economy. He does need an other issue where he gets popolar
    2. Nato in Poland and the Baltic did frighten Russia. Guess what: I do understand that! I do think Russia shall have been more integrated in all. BUT

    Poland and the Baltics have aright to deside themselves what they want.

    All that sphere thinking I cannot respect.

    Russia would have done better to behave nicely to build trust to its neighbors.

    Look in Europe how others did solve that problem of not trusting into eachother...

    Do you think the french had reason to trust germans in 1945 anymore? Do you think the germans did reason to trust France?

    Richelieu
    Louis 14
    Napoléon
    Bismarck
    Wilhelm II
    Hitler....

    Alsace Lorraine
    Rhine Arrea
    Occupation


    but guess what: all solved! Borders all free! NOBODY...really NOBODY would imagine a war between these two countries anymore.

    Why can't Russia behave that way? Why do they have to frighten all neighbors?

    Poland does trust Germany - old fossils like Kaczcnyky excluded, but most Poles laugh about him now.

    Poland and Germany are friends. True story! Why cant Russia stop to think in war games categories?

    Because they did not arrive in the 21th century! Mentaliy they are in the leading elite still Stalinists and Zar supporters.

    Thats why
     
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    Who frighten who?Who want to put nuclears in Poland?Russia or NATO(US)?Russia to stop think in war games categories?Does NATO stopped?West (US,Germany,UK,France,Duch...) arrived in 21 cent?What is Iraq,Avganistan...just another colonies...Please,back to tread :) You know,"The King...."
    Anyway here is a link for you http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ru/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-22th-1932-utczulu.html
     
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    Dear Fabien,
    I do not think this is a quite correct comparison of French troops in Luxemburg and Russian troops in Crimea. In Crimea noone threaten local people. They were rather happy to vote to join Russia. There is a very simple example- you have two neighbors- one is poor (Ukraine) and one is rich (Russia, compared to Ukraine). And then they offer you to make a commune-to live together. With whom you would go- with the rich one, or with the poor one? For me, it looks logical that Crimean people wanted to join Russia, even if you look just of pure economical reasons.
    The parents of my friends in Crimea, I know, started to get higher pensions, then they got when they were in Ukraine. I think this is good.
    About frightening of the neighbors by Russia. I do not think it was an issue until recently.Baltic countries lived without any fear that Russia will come, Poland also. Belorussia does not afraid of Russia. I think what is currently happening around Russia is a hysteria- Putin for sure will not go to Eastern Part of Ukraine, and definitely will not try to grab Baltic Countries
     
  25. Fabien

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    Dear Vis,

    it is very hard. I do "blame" you for one thing:

    You are just to peaceful and nice behaving in your dabate with me. If you was like some inhere. I easier could "fight" you back ^^

    Well...I do have to deal with your civilized very pleasant style.

    To the issue my friend:

    My best friend is polish. You will may be meet him. Great man, he speaks perfect russian btw. He is far far from beeing nationalistic. I can debate with him and disagree, but never never something negative gets out of that guy.

    He would dispite that strongly disagree, I am 100% certain that the polish are frightend to death! about Russia (germans here feel different, but that is because Poland did take geographycally the place of former West Germany towards Russia. We are not in the frontline as we where anymore.

    The polish did in history suffer from the germans a lot and also from russians. That is a collective memory in polish mindset and believe me...if it comes to Putin, I cannot image less than 99,9999 % of the polish telling you that he is a fascist.

    I think the polish shall calm down here a little. But Putin does all to not let that happen and germans do stand to polish like idiots if they try to calm them down and Putin invades into Crimea.

    It was an invasion sry.

    If you do like, I compare that to a fiction (it is a fiction for example! It is not what I really see - you are not a nationalist so I can explain that mild.


    Germany is compared to Russia a little bit more rich...yes?

    So Germany could go to Königsberg what you call "Kaliningrad" in russian. They could say as Russia did in Crimea:

    "we would like to get it back. If we make a referendum and we propose to each russian inhere 1000 € monthly as a gift, will you vote for us?"

    And to support that, Germany would send 100 000 troops to make clear: Königsberg people shall vote for....Russia? NO! Germany!


    Here we go. Than 97% or more will vote for Germany. Nice idea? Guess not.


    So the whole procedure was not acceptable.

    But unlike you, I do not think Putin will stop.

    Feb 2014: We just plan manövers. No soldiers to Crimea
    Now: annexed

    About 3 - 4 times: "we pull back our troops from the border"

    Nothing happened

    The more he goes here, the more he wants (Putin) and the more the world does not react, the more russian economy goes down, the more he will need it ^^ (Putin)

    Because...80 Billion € are gone out from Russia since feb 2014!

    So Putin is forced to take more more more...

    And that the british royals do understand that, does not so much surprise me.


    I guess most britons will agree with him. And in that, most germans would do. Exept those from extreme left or right wing, or germans who are simply crazy what is almost the same, because...communism and nazism... same origin
     

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