It's also okay to say "that doesn't make any sense" when people claim Matter jets from black holes represent matter being "created" when we know that black holes are themselves made out of Matter.
Actually, the emissions from black holes are necessary to preserve conservation of energy/mass. Any energy/mass the black hole has removed from the universe must eventually be returned
so you've given up and fallen back on 'but some people are comforted by religious belief' this quickly? wow ... atheists don't even have to get out of bed anymore.
Let's just focus on this, shall we? Since you've clearly made an exception for the gods (you don't specify any particular god, so we'll say all gods), we can therefore ... according to this new rule you've allowed ... make an exception for the universe.
I was not clear if you got that from my comment. I did not use plural god. I happen to accept there are many gods, with one being supreme. My bad if i am wrong. God is not, as I see this made of material such as the universe is. But the notion the universe is eternal is not supported by science at the moment.
That point about space seems reasonable. As to tiny bubbles, maybe you are thinking of Don Ho the entertainer's song.
I wonder what God thinks of that concept? While I admit it was taught to me in my physics courses in both high school and college, as I used to argue with some teachers, things of science have been known to be wrong and to later be proven wrong. Out of respect to the teachers, I tried not to annoy them over things like that though.
I'm an atheist, therefore I have no input into what the various religions claim about their various gods. You'd need to ask believers this question.
most religious folk think their god is 'supreme', so I suppose it's technically irrelevant to this argument. well I claim that the universe which existed prior to this one, was not 'made of material' (not really, just pointing out the absurdity of making exceptions to bolster a fatally weak position). so what if it's not 'supported by science at the moment' (and I would dispute that anyway .. there is strong likelihood)? are you suggesting that supernatural sky beings - aka gods - are supported by science?
I get a kick out of those who post as were they full blown Atheists. I read them ask about GODS. Owing if t hey read my post i stick to singular god. I do not anoint a variety of men nor their religions as were they creating various gods. Just try this for size. Look, I don't waste a lot of time on this topic nor doing the drill Democrats love me to do all that much. When I do the GOD drill, what I want out of the readers is the open mind so that at some point, they will allow GOD as a fact to catch them by surprise. A reformed atheist is a good pal. So, let me try to shorten it yet make it clear. I have learned the hard way in the past discussing this with Democrats or their ilk. See, your typical republican won't challenge me on this. Wide open eyes is your observation station. When you look up at night, do you see only one form of matter or many forms of matter? Do you notice the moon reflects light but the Sun gives light? I know you do, so no need to reply. And stars range from extremely huge, a huge number of times larger than the Sun, you can spot the difference using astronomer tools, correct? And when the comet blazes past our solar system, you know it differs from the moon or the Sun, correct? I am saying the universe is not just one thing. It is a vast number of things. Consider planets and suns. Are both formed the same way? If the big bang works, why do we have both hot bodies plus cold bodies and even black holes provided they actually exist? Anyway, add in the mix, on at least one planet, Earth .... comes life. Life did not start as we see it right now. Life came by a few elements kind of mixing, 6 of them in fact, somehow doing the magic trick known as the creation of life. How do you suppose 6 elements formed life? How did there come to be some current 115 elements that number more than when I studied Chemistry in college? We then were taught there were 92 elements I believe. This is very complex and outside the scope of just being a huge string of accidents.
This is sort of like a guy saying, I still believe in the flat earth theory. A good atheist should never hint there are multiple gods.
Yes, and that's precisely why we can have reasonable confidence in science. It self-corrects when demonstrably wrong. It is not interested in an ideological position, and has nothing to protect or defend. Truth is its only goal. The polar opposite of religions, which never self-correct, regardless of how demonstrably wrong they are.
I don't 'hint' that there are any gods. Believers claim there are gods. You opened a thread about gods.
I get a kick out of Atheists. Sooner or later they allege I have a lot of gods. While I admit I believe GOD has created many GODS, in my view of the universe the rest have things to do far from this Earth. As to support for your sky gods, since I never included such things, Science that is sincere ought to support my concept.
Feel free to provide evidence that disproves the Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy. Literally all the evidence we currently have supports it, so it would be a quick easy million bucks. Otherwise, you have to acknowledge that the third option I posted is equally possible.
That was a very long-winded way of saying: I'm a pattern-seeking higher mammal, programmed by evolution to see patterns (even where none exist), because patterns equate to physical survival (water is always found near trees, etc) .... therefore patterns are comforting.
Yes, I see that his post makes no sense because black holes are themselves matter. It's not at all a problem for the Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy for jets of matter to come out them.
