Gavin Newsom calls SF-to-LA high-speed rail unrealistic, pushes for route from Bakersfield to Merced

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really, a high speed train that goes between Merced, Fresno, Bakersfield. I've driven that route many times, the only time traffic slows down a little is at rush hour. In contrast in Southern California I-10, I-215, I-91 and Highway 60 are crowded at all time of the day except from midnight to 3 AM. At rush hour be prepared to crawl at 15 MPH...or less, yet they don't care. So this knucklehead would rather waste $3.5 billion dollars than send it back by building a "train to no where". A real progressive Democrat I see. Don't forget folks this isn't California tax payers money, everyone in the country gets to pay for this. The irony should escape no one, $3.5 Billion for a "train to no where", but Democrats in Congress want to spend only $1.5 billion on border security, while 51,000+ simply run across the border EVERY MONTH.
     
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    Another liberal pipe dream goes up in smoke and the taxpayers get screwed. At least Newsom finally pulled the plug.


    California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced on Tuesday he is pulling the plug on the state's massive high-speed rail project from Los Angeles to San Francisco that was more than a decade behind schedule and billions in the red.

    "Let's be real," Newsom said in his first State of the State address. "The current project, as planned, would cost too much and respectfully take too long. There's been too little oversight and not enough transparency."

    Newsom added that while California has "the capacity to complete a high-speed rail link between Merced and Bakersfield," "there simply isn't a path to get from Sacramento to San Diego, let alone from San Francisco to L.A."

    The embattled $77-billion bullet train has been an embarrassment for the Golden State and has been plagued by problems almost from the start.

    The idea, long championed by Newsom's predecessor, Jerry Brown, is years behind schedule with the latest estimate for completion set for 2033.


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ca...on-dollar-bullet-train-cites-ballooning-costs
     
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    mngam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Professor you beat me by a "moment ago"
     
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    mngam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another liberal pipe dream goes up in smoke and the taxpayers get screwed.
     
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    Originally it was supposed to run from Frisco to San Diego, then it was shortened from Frisco to L.A. now it's down to 160 mile in the middle of no where from Merced to Bakersfield. Has anyone notified Alexandria Ocassio Cortez that her "Green Dream" is dying in the most liberally run state in the country? I love it when they cite Japan as a model of mass transportation. What they forget is Japan was able to start from scratch and plan the whole thing out after getting flattened in 1945. We have existing infrastructure that is difficult and expensive to modify.
     
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    Foreign High Speed Rail Consultants favored a more coastal route, such as the 101.

    Politics made it a milk run through the central valley.
    Better to follow the coastal route to get from LA to Bay Area in the most
    efficient manner and build a few feeder lines from Bakersfield, Visalia, Fresno, etc.
    to the coastal route allowing one or two, quick stops for connections.



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    Too bad, mas transit is the answer to a lot of problems, today and tomorrow
     
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    WOW! I see that. I guess great minds think alike.
     
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    I believe that too. However, when folks cite Japan as a model of mass transportation. What they forget is Japan was able to start from scratch and plan the whole thing out after getting flattened in 1945. We have existing infrastructure that is difficult and expensive to modify. If NK or Iran ever bomb any of our major cities into dust we can start from scratch too.
     
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    Sounds like prudent financial move.

    So? What is the problem?
     
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    I'm pissed. I was living in CA when that train started and some of my money paid for that disaster. My opinion is it never should have stared to begin with. Moonbeam's opinion is that he had a friend who was going to arrange the sale or acquisition of the actual trains and he's probably wondering if he's going to get short changed on his promised kickback.
     
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    the problem is that it was an obvious boondoggle from the very beginning. it was sold to an ignorant public at bargain basement prices that could never be realized and the idiots bought it. how much taxpayer money has already been wasted? how many political favors were bought by california's corrupt bureaucracy and how many war-chests were filled with the whole hopelessly mismanaged affair?

    that's one of the many problems with you ivory tower buffoons - aim for the stratosphere with half-baked schemes and then, when you finally realize how over your head you are, just drop it all and move on to the next scam to waste other people's money.
     
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    Sort of like WASTING $5.7 Billion on a Border Wall?
     
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    It doesn't bother you they wasted all that money (your tax dollars too) on a 160 mile rail spur out in the tulies and the corn fields. The left screamed about the "bridge to no where", but the "train to no where" is A-OK.
     
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    Are there no grand juries to deal with the crooks responsible for boondoggles like this?
     
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    That will save us $2.5 million dollars a day.
     
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    I hope the DOJ goes after them all.
     
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    It was just a way to scam the taxpayers out of their money. It's a rural area with no need for a train.
     
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    All we will get from this "Green New Deal" is corruption and cost overruns.
    Gavin ain't giving the federal money back though. Typical.

    Gavin Newsom ditching California high-speed rail shows why 'Green New Deal' is doomed
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...speed-rail-shows-why-green-new-deal-is-doomed
     
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    Actually, there is already a train. I have taken that route many times.

    It only goes a paltry 80 mph though.
     
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    we have trains... and they consistently lose money. face it, this is nineteenth century technology with a few added bells and whistles and these fools all acted as if it was the latest thing. the millions they have already spent could have been used to beef up local mass transit, even subsidizing it where needed. but no, they had to make the grand gesture. they had us believing we had to keep up with france or japan or, i can't believe i'm even saying it, china. hell, we surpassed those nations decades ago and then we spent billions to help them catch up.
     
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    Moonbeam spent a lot of time at Disney's Tomorrow Land
     
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    Have you been in the area?
     
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    Well, I took the train up there, yes.

    Lately we drive and look at the graffiti on the half-built rail structures you can see off the 99.
     
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    Both Japan and France had their countries cities demolished in WWII. The could start from scratch in laying out the cities that were smashed. The included mass transit in the original plans. It's easy to laythings out for the furture when everything is destroyed. Unless NK, Iran or Russia destroys our cities so we can do the same we are saddled with only making expensive modification where we can.
     
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