Georgia Republicans speed sweeping elections bill restricting voting access into law

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  1. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never saw anyone in my 36 years of living hand out water at a voting line or even care until it could be used to trash some new voting laws politically.

    This is the first year of my life where water bottles have become a huge political debate. Nobody needed them before so why start now?
     
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    No? How do you reconcile the current legislative portfolio then? None of that is what anyone would consider "center". Why try to lie about it?
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    Averting a recession with deficit spending is mainstream. We don't see new initiatives to transfer wealth and income near and dear to Sanders, Warren et al. You're seeing this through a rightwing ideological lens and mistakenly framing centrist policies as leftwing.
    :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

    You appear to have lost perspective somewhere along the way.
     
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    White folks don't generally wait hours in line to vote.

    There are many, many ways to speed up voting consistent with a secure election. For example, we could make ballots widely available and allow people to drop them off at the polling location. The voter could run the ballot through an optical reader and see how their vote will be recorded. Any concern could be resolved by having the voter fill out their ballot again.

    Long lines and delays in voting should not exist--ever.
     
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  5. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you know how long white people wait in line for? Big cities are not just full of black people.
     
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    I'm a white person. :)

    My comment about white folks waiting in line to vote was a joke.
    Just liberal white folks who somehow vote for black mayors?

    Bottom line here--voters shouldn't have to wait in long lines to vote.
     
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    Because before this year, people weren't waiting in five hour lines when it's 88 in the shade.
     
  8. Matthewthf

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    You don't know how long they will be waiting in line. We will see how it goes in the midterms.
     
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    FAKE NEWS ALERT! :roflol:
     
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    Not fake at all, if you are not working for the polling station it is illegal to hand out water to anyone in line. The way the law is written a person could be charged for bringing a family member a bottle of water.
     
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    The person I replied to didn't mention "not working for the polling station."

    Can you support this?
     
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    The exact words of the law....“,nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector,

    Do you see a clause in there that exempts family members from the law?
     
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    In the context, who do you suppose the "any person" is referring to? People associated with campaigns perhaps? And you have to ask yourself what the purpose would be of banning someone from giving a family member some water.
     
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    Then perhaps the law is written poorly, because as written a family member could be charged with a misdemeanor for taking water to a family member in line.

    Their "intent" is not important, what matters is the words in the actual law.
     
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    So then why did you make the distinction of people "not working for the polling station?"
     
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    Because people working for the polling station are the only ones allowed to give out water without breaking the law.
     
  17. chris155au

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    Not according to the extract of law you quoted above, when using your interpretation. Your interpretation which leads you to believe that family members are included.
     
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    I left off the exception for poll workers as it is not relevant to my claims.

    But I guess it was since it shows that they made an exception in writing and it was not for family members.

    Thanks for further proving my point!

    You are way too helpful
     
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    So you're problem with the voter law, is some of the wording. I see.
     
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    Words matter in legal issues. They are all that matter.
     
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    Too bad you have not bothered to actually read the words of the law?
     
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    I posted the actual words of the law....do try and keep up.

    It gets tiring to recap for you people all the time.

    By the way, I think it is cute as **** that you only think liberal administration lie. I envy your child like naivety.
     
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    Again, you have attempted to read the change, and not what was actually changed. This has allowed you to take the change out of context. Here is the original law's wording:

    (a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign literature, newspaper, booklet, pamphlet, card, sign, paraphernalia, or any other written or printed matter of any kind, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition or conduct any exit poll or public opinion poll with voters on any day in which ballots are being cast:

    (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established;

    (2) Within any polling place; or

    (3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.
    § 21-2-414 - Restrictions on campaign activities and public opinion polling within the vicinity of a polling place; cellular phone use prohibited; prohibition of candidates from entering certain polling places; penalty :: 2010 Georgia Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia

    Clearly the law is talking to campaigns using tactics sway voters already in line. The Amendment to the law states:

    1872 "(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any
    1873 person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,
    1874 or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and
    1875 drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any
    1876 person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables
    1877 or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast:
    1878 (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is
    1879 established;
    1880 (2) Within any polling place; or21 SB 202/AP S. B. 202 - 74 -
    1881 (3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.
    1882 These restrictions shall not apply to conduct occurring in private offices or areas which
    1883 cannot be seen or heard by such electors."
    1884 "(e) This Code section shall not be construed to prohibit a poll officer from distributing
    1885 materials, as required by law, which are necessary for the purpose of instructing electors
    1886 or from distributing materials prepared by the Secretary of State which are designed solely
    1887 for the purpose of encouraging voter participation in the election being conducted or from
    1888 making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in 1889 line to vote."
    C:\pdf\201498.wpd (foxnews.com)

    As many law professors have stated the provision is talking directly to campaigns, and not saying that you cannot provide water or food to a family member, unless you are the member of a campaign staff. This law has been in effect in Virginia for as long as I have lived here. That has been 15 years. No one has been prosecuted for bring a family member water or food, but campaigns have been forced to set up stands outside to required banned area. You can take you family member food or water. But campaigns can't. I do not see the problem with this.
     
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    That is all very nice, but the words are what matter and the words say....

    nor shall any person give, offer to give,
    1874 or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and
    1875 drink, to an elector,

    and then it goes on to say who is allowed to give water...

    This Code section shall not be construed to prohibit a poll officer from distributing
    1885 materials, as required by law, which are necessary for the purpose of instructing electors
    1886 or from distributing materials prepared by the Secretary of State which are designed solely
    1887 for the purpose of encouraging voter participation in the election being conducted or from
    1888 making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in 1889 line to vote."

    Thus the way the law is written it is breaking the law for a family member to take water to another family member standing in line to vote. There is no exception for them in the law. Perhaps they should have thought of that.

    Will this be enforced? Who knows, but that is the law.
     
  25. rkhames

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    Wrong. You posted an out of context section of the actual words. You did not quote what the law stated before, and what it states now to provide context. If you had you would have seen that you are wrong in your claims. I have already spelled it out for you. Just take the time to read it.

    Yes, I think Liberal Administrations lie. I also think Conservative Administrations lie. The difference is that I am willing to admit that they lie, and you aren't. This issue is a prime example. Biden lied about what is in the law in because he is pushing a law that goes in the opposite direction. That is one that would take away the States Constitutional right to govern their own elections. But you would not know that because the MSM has not told you.
     

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