German far-right leader severely injured after being beaten in ‘assassination attempt’

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  1. notme

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    Except that did not happen. His injuries are due to be his face hitting the ground because 1 guy hit him from behind. His party admits that most has been totally made up. There was no wooden plank that supposedly was used to beat him. And he wasn't kicked or hit at all when he was lying on the ground.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-attack-on-rightwing-politician-frank-magnitz
    https://www.dw.com/en/new-details-of-attack-on-german-afd-mp-come-to-light/av-47019672
     
  2. Pollycy

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    And his face 'hit the ground' why? Did it just just fall off his head and land there...? :confuse::frustrated:

    If your face looked like bloody hamburger because it 'hit the ground' would that make it OK? You'd be tranquil and serene about that...?

    The man was ATTACKED, but the hyperliberal, radical Left doesn't even care.... Trust me, a day is coming in which they WILL....
     
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    I sourced that it is.
    I sourced that victim who claimed it actually doesn't recall.
    I sourced that his own party admits that it is the way I said it is.
     
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    The left is violent.
     
  5. notme

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    there is no clue that the left did this. So far, what they got is that even the victim admits that he can not remember what went on, while CCTV denies by far most of his claims. His own party admits to all of this.
     
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    Of course I know what parasites are and in every social system they exist ... they always exist and they will always exist. But they are always a minority in the masses who depend on social services!
    But why are they and why are they able to live as a parasite? The answer is simple, because they exploit gaps, loopholes and weaknesses in the system!
    So it is also the duty of the state to close these gaps etc. and if that does not happen or does not happen sufficiently, then it is not the social system itself, but the control mechanisms of the state!

    And the fact that such a social system is financed from the taxpayers money is completely correct and nothing else than that is OK! It is the duty of the state to take care of the weak and those who are in debt through no fault of their own, and the state, that is the people and the revenue of the state are the taxes!
     
  7. Caligula

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    See my post no. 20
    See my post no. 39.

    What I find pretty pathetic is the AFD claiming he was attacked with a massive piece of wood and, while lying on the ground, kicked in the head. This was part of the official AFD statement they put out very shortly after the attack even before the police had put out an official report. The surveillance video doesn't show any of that. The official spokesperson of the prosecution said there is no indication at all that any object was used or that he was kicked in the head, as notme mentioned. This is rather typical of the AFD, their comment, however, was it wouldn't matter whether it was a piece of wood or a crowbar or something else. First they lie and put out a fasle story, then it doesn't matter. This attack is totally unacceptable, but the way they, the AFD, handle this says a lot about them. No news regarding any possible suspects so far, investigators are planning to publish the video of the attack.
     
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    It reminds me of this:



    Nobody cares.
     
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  9. Pollycy

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    If you are correct, the original stories were wrong... I'll take that at 'face-value' even though I'm well aware that different political factions (Left, Right, and squishy-soft, do-nothing 'Middle') manipulate things to suit their own agendas -- at ALL levels of government agencies.

    But you are right when you say, " it wouldn't matter whether it was a piece of wood or a crowbar or something else." Thus, the FACT that this man was attacked in a Bremen street is of little or no importance to anyone but you and me? And that the really important thing to mainstream Germans is what type of instrument was used to beat him so badly that he had to be in the hospital?!

    Imagine if something like this had happened to a Leftist, a "Green" member, or perhaps one of Merkel's CDU cadres. Lieber Gott noch mal! :eyepopping: . There would be non-stop media coverage and thousands of marchers in the streets all over Germany! But Frank Magnitz gets beaten with a stick? Or was it a crowbar? Or was it simply his own 'bad' AfD "karma"? Or was it all just his imagination? And within 72 hours it is clear that NOBODY CARES?

    But a day is coming when Germans will care... wait and see.
     
  10. Caligula

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    You’re getting things wrong here. The original story (beaten with a piece of wood and kicked in the head) was put out by the AFD itself, this was the first and original story. Several newspapers and media outlets published it (inter alia The Sun), some phrased it ‘was seemingly beaten with a plank/piece of wood’, but the story was out there. This original narrative was the AFD’s version. Then investigators examined the surveillance video and said there’s no indication of any object of any kind. Magnitz was attacked from behind (without any object) and knocked to the ground, he got his wound from hitting the floor, and was not kicked in the head, the attackers ran off immediately. In a nutshell: the AFD put out a false story, the video which was examined by investigators proves them wrong. See here: https://www.polizei.bremen.de/
    I personally consider sticking to facts important and really helpful.

    Who says or said that nobody cares? You’re making things up here. This attack has been headline news since Monday evening/Tuesday morning.
    https://www.google.de/search?source.......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131j0.NUK5cidepeY
    Members from all political parties (CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP, Grüne, Linke) have condemned the attack. If you’re so interested in this, why don’t you just follow the debates instead of making up things that are way off? ‘Nobody cares’ is false, just follow the debates and you'll be better informed. Even Dietmar Bartsch, parliamentary party leader of Die Linke said “there is no justification for such a crime. “
    https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten...angriff-gibt-dafuer-keine-rechtfertigung.html

    I didn’t say that “it wouldn't matter whether it was a piece of wood or a crowbar or something else”, that’s what the AFD used as an excuse once their claim (hit with a massive piece of wood and kicked in the head) turned out to be a lie.
    Nobody said the only important thing to Germans was what type of instrument was used in the attack, you’re getting things wrong again. Authorities simply put the info out that no object was used in the attack. The point is that the AFD lied to the public and the press and the video proves it. No political party has tried to capitalize on this politically, not one, except the AFD itself by speading false news.
    “Thousands of marchers in the streets”? Why make things up again? Didn’t happen when Oskar Lafonatine (SPD) was almost killed, not when Schäuble (CDU) was shot into a wheelchair, not when Joschka Fischer (Grüne) was attacked.
     
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    The attack itself is not shown in the surveillance camera video. We see Magnitz walking, and that he is followed by at least three persons. The truth is that this video doesn't show us anything except that he was evidently being pursued. What we know for sure is that shortly afterward he was beaten up and his head was all bloody. We see people running away from a direction that Magnitz had been walking, but we do not see anything else, except that the people running away knocked down another person in their haste to get away. To be fair, there is nothing in the surveillance video that shows Magnitz was beaten "with a stick or a crowbar, or something else".

    So, we will probably never learn anything with a completely factual basis.

    But your point about Wolfgang Schäuble is well taken, although his assailant was described as a 'druggie' and a psychopath of some variety. Indeed, Herr Schäuble is highly respected in his position as President of the Bundestag... and he has surely been one of the more intelligent, capable persons in the entire German government up to the present time. But now, sadly, it looks like another fine German politician, Friedrich Merz, has been pushed aside by the CDU to make room for the "AKK-phenom". Poor Germany. You didn't need a 'Merkel-clone' at this time....
     
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    From the video it appears to be only one man who is in collision with the AFD Chairman but it looks like he may have pulled a face mask down before the incident. All that is obvious is that he ran into the Afd Chairman knocking him down and then seemed to stumble against him resulting in kicks. There is nothing from this video to suggest that the Afd Chairman was even targeted rather than just being there and it is obvious that neither of the other two men were involved at all. It is not outwidth the bounds of possibility that he ran into the AFD Chairman by mistake though if he is pulling on a face mask that tends to rouse suspicion it was deliberate.

    From that video I would suspect this was a false flag hoping to make good on the 'attack' as happened with Bolsonaro.
     
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    Were you looking at the same video that I saw? The same video that Caligula provided us a link to? If so, HOW in the world could you have drawn the conclusions that you did? The attack was not (NOT) shown on the video, but it was clear that Magnitz was followed by at a distance of about 10 meters by men who appeared to be stalking him.

    Assessment: the more that the radical Left tries to pretend that a violent attack on Frank Magnitz never happened, the more the rest of us will be highly suspicious of their weird denials. The Left may be used to "seeing what it wants to see", but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world sees what they see....

    Note the mass-media-censored image of what Magnitz' head REALLY looked like after... what? He fell? He did it himself?

    Oh... the AfD made it up? :omg: . :spin:

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    The attack on Magnitz is clearly visible from 0:26 – 0.35 in slow-mo when he is attacked from behind by one guy and immediately goes down. These screenshots clearly show that the attacker comes very close and knocks him down from behind. I for one find the idea of 'false flag' rather unrealistic.

    Absolutely nobody has claimed the attack never happened! And there are no denials of any kind other than the police Bremen proving that the original AFD story of this incident was false. Nobody claims or has claimed that the attack was made up by the AFD.
    Regarding the pics, one has to be familiar with the Deutscher Presserat and the agreements called Publizistische Grundsätze which are common concerning the publishing of what’s called “Schockbilder”, shock pics. This is not 'Merkel censorship', these are voluntary agreements, definied in the Pressekodex, which most media outlets follow (but don't have to). Those "Schockbilder" are almost never fully published (the face is usually pixelated), not the victims of ISIS beheadings, not massively injured victims of traffic accidents, not victims of football hooliganism, etc. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressekodex
    Again, it would be better to be familiar with these things before making highly incorrect claims.
    Interesting & educational read!
    https://www.svz.de/deutschland-welt/politik/schockbilder-zeigen-oder-nicht-id7459801.html






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    I cannot copy the video. It is on this page

    https://www.polizei.bremen.de/

    If you hold on you will find that after showing the attack in real time it shows it in slow motion. Why I decided it was suspect false flag - simply because despite their face masks they do not seem to want to hurt him. If they did not have the face masks on I would have thought some unbelievably careless accident but given that there appears to be an attempt to do something wrong, and given that only one in any way attacks him, knocking him down and giving him some sort of kicks, which could very well be accidental, when he seems to be unable to get past him (might of course go with the druggie you mention) However it looked to me that the intent was more to make it look like he had been attacked than to attack him, hence why I thought suspicious as false flag. If it was a desire to attack then I would have expected all three to get into it and I would have expected the one who knocked him down to give him a few more deliberate and nasty kicks or whatever. It does not convince me that it is showing any desire to harm the guy which I would expect in a genuine attack.
     
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    Take a good look at Magnitz' head and face below (UNCENSORED) and try to tell yourself, "It does not convince me that it is showing any desire to harm the guy which I would expect in a genuine attack." If some bunch of thugs did that to YOU would you think you had been 'attacked'...? :cynic:

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    Intention and result are not always the same. There is nothing in the video to suggest that that was the intended result, just three men with masks on, one of whom knocks into the man and struggles to get up and run away. There is something which does not ring true about this being a deliberate attempt to kill or seriously injure this man. Now if he had fallen because they had put a knife in his back that would be a different thing but as for this being on the level which they first put out, three people attacking someone with wooden plank particularly because he was a Chairman of AfD, there is absolutely no evidence in the video of that. A drug addict off in a different world perhaps..

    By the way I did not look what appears to be a gruesome photo as they make me sick. Of course I could not avoid having it impinge on my consciousnesses. Someone else who is not squeamish would need to deal with that aspect. My position is simply that there is absolutely nothing in the video which would suggest the intention was an assassination attempt. Besides of which and again without looking at your gruesome photo, he was out of hospital in a day or two so it suggests your gruesome photo may be making things look worse that they are and blood can often do that. I had a miscarriage and the amount of blood I lost before the Dr arrived would have made me look ten times dead but I did not even need a blood transfusion.

    I suggest you deal with the argument someone has given rather than try to bring in gruesome photos to put them off arguing and indeed gruesome photo which must be giving a wrong view if I could look at them given how quick he was in leaving hospital .

    From the video there is no evidence that there was an assassination attempt on a particular person because of his political views. There is proof that the information given from the Afd that three men attacked him one with a wooden plank is untrue. Giving deliberately wrong information does suggest the Afd had the intention to use this incident for propaganda.

    However we do know that at least two of the people were wearing masks and that one of them bumped into him.resulting in him falling. We can guess that this was probably intended but there is no evidence to suggest that the decision was to attack this person because of who he was and certainly no evidence to suggest the attempt was to kill him. At the very least the Afd deliberately exploited the attack, giving wrong information to make the public believe that this was something which it was not, Given that there are two instances of such attacks giving extra support to the far right, in Holland and in Brazil, it certainly appears that that is what was intended by the Afd here. Whether that goes as far as them creating a false flag or whether there is something completely different going on here is for a court to decide.

    Edit: The police apparently believe that he had his hands in his pockets at the time he was knocked into. That would suggest he was hurt far more than would have been expected given he could not put his hands out to protect himself.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46842106
     
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    And that's what the extremists want to do here at home. In a way, it was a good thing we gave them the House. It kept their temper tantrums in check a bit.
     
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    Reichstag? Reichstag, is that you again?

    Live like a German Nazi, die like one. I have zero sympathy to give.

    BTW - the BBC doesn't agree with your breathless interpretation of events. Apparently the video doesn't either.


    Frank Magnitz attack: Video casts doubts on AfD account
     
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    Read up on the post Civil War to present day South (ex Confederacy), not to mention Nazi Germany and say that with a straight face. :roll:
     

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