GERMANY JOINS CHORUS CASTING DOUBT ON TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIM THAT IRAN WAS BEHIND ATTACK ON OIL

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  1. Sobo

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    Big words coming from Nr.2 in the world, currently falling behind China on Nr. 3

    The EU is a larger economy than USA. When EU, Russia and China decide to have enough of american bullshit, **** will hit the fan.

    Wonder if you will threaten us with nukes then to buy your ****.
     
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    EU is not a country and it does not have its own military.
     
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    EU is an Empire by definition.

    It currently builds up its own military. But thats not the point.

    I said what you do, when EU, Russia and China decide to have enough of your **** and collectively block you out of trade? Force us with nukes to buy your ****?

    We already notice our power through your empty threats. Trump is seen as a lame duck here. Tariffs on german cats, sanctions on NS 2 and all that.

    Big words followed by ...nothing.

    We dont follow a single demand from Trump. That shows how weak we see him.

    We deal directly with governors of american states like California or Oregon and ignore the orange baboon,
     
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    By whose definition? Certainly not here.
    You guys can’t even put together a true federation yet and you are dreaming up about empire already. You still need to complete a few steps for that - all states should join the monetary union, delegate all powers to deal with outside world to Brussels and eliminate all of its militaries.

    The EU as a true federation would become very vulnerable to separatism and local unrest. Civil wars and wars for independence will become commmon.

    Currently the EU could be described as a confederacy at most. And that’s being generous, considering that UK is leaving.
     
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    Thats the german ego talking

    No you dont have to honor the sanctions

    But a future nuclear war in the Gulf between Iran and its neighbors is your fault
     
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    Saudi Arabia said that they’ll get nukes if Iran gets nukes.
    If that happens then we will have Middle East with Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia possessing nuclear weapons. And we all know how those three just love each other. Quite literally, to death! And Russia would be the #1 winner if they blow each other up as they would become the single supplier of oil and gas to Europe and China. I would imagine Russians jacking their oil prices to above $300 simply because they can while we in the US enjoy it for under $70.
     
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    Germany and the EU have a lot to lose in trade with the largest supporter of terrorism.
     
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    Yes you would, just like so many other non-Americans.
     
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    It is apparently a universal human weakness.
     
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    By the very definition of the word "Empire"

    "Since the European Union began in 1993 as a west European trade bloc, it has established its own currency, the Euro (1999), established discrete military forces, and exercised its limited hegemony in parts of eastern Europe and Asia. The political scientist Jan Zielonka suggests that this behaviour is imperial because it coerces its neighbouring countries into adopting its European economic, legal, and political structures.[69][70][71][72][73][74]"

    The UK will never leave. It goes the same way as all such movements. vote again and again until nobody remembers what the vote was about.

    As for trade, USA already is weaker than the EU, since the EU forced its will on the americans in trade aspects again and again. Even Trump backsteps and shows how weak he is.
     
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    You mean USA and Saudi Arabia?
     
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    Maybe it was drone launched missiles, as the Japanese crew members aboard have said.
     
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    The experts in false flag attacks, or at least from my observations these past year would be Britain's MI6 and Turkey's MIT. To blame Iran for doing something that would work against it's own interests is as foolish as the propaganda in blaming Assad for the false flag chemical attacks and working against his own interests. So tell us what ships has Iran blown up and what terrorism have they committed?


    They did it!
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    Because we said it. Finito!




     
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    Yeah Iran has a history of not doing anything in it's best interests like funding global terrorism, attacking US embassies, and oil shipping lanes.

    Maybe it was the Russians.
     
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    Maybe it was Putin in the kitchen with the pipe.
     
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    Oh the US has a history of blowing up commercial planes huh.

    Tell us about that history.
     
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    If you don't believe having allies is important then fine, carry on the way you are going, it is no skin off my nose,
     
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    Attacking the CIA base "american embassy" was definitly in Irans interests. Operation Ajax was orchestrated from the american embassy, destroyed the iranian democracy and installed a muppet tyrant.

    If i would have to topple an american installed tyrant, the enemies operation base is a target.

    USA fudned ISIS, Al Nusra front, Mudjahedin and various other terror organisations.
     
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    Sure!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

    Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.[1] The jet was hit while flying over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, along the flight's usual route, shortly after departing Bandar Abbas International Airport, the flight's stopover location. Vincennes had entered Iranian territory after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits
     
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    Which was shot down during a time in which Iran attacked over 160 ships, and was mistaken for an attack aircraft.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/19/...&gwh=E6176C76772DB85029BF1336C536A6B1&gwt=pay

    Got any more?
     
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    I'm sure Germany and Iran will be great allies.

    Enjoy your relationship I guess. I'm sure it will end well.
     
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    That's good. I wouldn't want you to lose any skin.
     
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    Its impossible to misidentify an rising A300 with a attacking F-14. The aircraft was shot down on purpose as an act of terror. Well a few weeks later you tasted your own medicine over Lockerbie.
     
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    German - Iranian relationship dates longer than your country even exist.

    What angers you so much? That USA stands alone while Germany, UK and France side with Iran?

    5 years ago nobody would have believed so. Shows how weak you have become.
     
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    Sure it was. Why didn't we shoot down more of them?

    I mean, it must have been intentional. 1980's radar didn't consist of a blip, it was a 3d zoomed in image of the target and stuff.

    It wasn't like there weren't hundreds of attacks going on by Iran when that plane was shot down or anything.

    I guess people will say Germany aligning with Iran will be tasting your own medicine for your Nazi heritage or something equally stupid.
     

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