Germany pushs american weapon producers out of bidding

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  1. Draco

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    No, I am saying you are going out of your way to attack America and the people living inside it like you usually do.

    If you read the article, it has ABSOLUTELY 100% to do with the ablity to sell weapons to the world (AKA increase your arms industry that you attack the USA for regularly). You trying to change the subject to whether or not Germany sells weapons to the world means nothing. This is a money play and the super Anti-US crowd like yourself is jumping all over it to sing your tune.

    And that is my point with SIG, you are agreeing with me. You are twisting/turning the decision German politicians are making by wanting to increase their/your countries ability to create and sell weapons the the world. Then, you are using this to personally attack America and the Americans in it by attacking America' "trustworthiness" and its people by calling us "untrustworthy"

    It's fine and all, but your decision to twist the truth in order to push an Anti-US agenda is highly bigoted and incredibly immature. We have chatted through PM's a bit and you seem like a really nice guy. But you can't try and sugar coat the flat out attacks you are constantly lobbing at America and it's citizens, which includes me.

    This is a debate forum where I am always happy to debate facts and tactics, but when someone consistently performs acts that look/sound/feel like an Anti-US troll there really isn't much else to be said.

    With how insanely sensitive you are to anyone or anything that is "Anti-Germany" I find it ridiculous that you think Americans would not be the same.
     
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  2. Baff

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    Which means you can expect more fines to come. At least 3 billion.

    More domestic industries crying out for a tax break. More protectionism, less free trade.

    And the thing about America is.... it doesn't need to trade at all. Plus is has a gazillion fleets.
    You will loose in any trade war with the US. And very badly indeed.

    Trump will just crush you. Economically.
    You'll have as many trade partners left in the world as Iran.

    Little children playing adults games. German politician showing off to German people how he is as powerful as Bush. And all those who so badly wish to believe him cheer.

    They are an embarrassment to you.
     
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  3. Sobo

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    This is about military. A nation should never trust any other nation in defense aspects. I think you can understand that? Same in business.

    Lets say Germany buys SIG weapons for our army. Who can say they are not bugged and deactivated from outside when USA wants too?

    SIG is not 100% german so it is a problem.
     
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    There did not come more fines. The USA are an oligarchy. Trump has no power. When your corporations fear to lose the european market, they react. We also fined google and Amazon.

    Given the fact that China seeks our support and how isolated USA has become under Trump, you can understand why we dont take this **** and counteracted, sucessful.
     
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    I certainly think your relations with China are beyond American influence.
    Also the Russians and North Koreans and some others.

    If there's one thing Trump knows better than any of your guys, it's corporations.
    He's got the big stick and you aren't walking very softly.

    So you are about to get a whack. That will go down well at home. Increase his approval rating from zero to zero +1.
    Nothing like an external enemy for getting every one together. Expect one before the next election.

    America is the least isolated country in the planet. If your great plan is to isolate America, you will A, get very isolated by America, and B most likely die in the attempt.
     
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    trump`? went bancrupt several times. I think old german multi billionair dynasties like the Krupp clan know a bit more about corporations.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okie dokie. Isn't like our government doesn't favor our producers.
     
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    So Germany has announced it will not make a purchase unless they can steal the technology of the product, which is the purpose of ITAR.

    Once again, the USA should impose a ban on the import of most German made products, including automobiles, since Germany is not an open market and has numerous policies banning American made or American design products.

    For example, as a condition for Tesla operating its factory at current wages, Germany demands that Tesla build components for and give its technology to German automakers - literally demanding that Tesla built their own German competition given Germans have been unable to do so on their own. For this, ALL German car imports should be banned, as now should all German firearms, weapons and any other military product.
     
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    The USA should impose the same restrictions against German made products - as should ever other country in the world.
     
  10. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Krupp clan knows how to commit treason, start wars and then betray their own country, bribe government for special tax treatment, deal with terrorists and profit from slave labor. In fact, entire production areas of Krupp went broke and were shut down, contrary to your claim. It also is a lie to claim Donald Trump has filed bankruptcy, which he never has.

    The Krupp dynasty was intensely pro Hitler and anti-Semitic long before Hitler even came along, as well as extremely pro-war and German imperialism for obvious reasons of personal profit as a weapons manufacturer. The history of the Krupp dynasty is incredibly corrupt. While a major advocate of war, the ONLY reason the Krupps didn't lose everything was an extremely treasonous act against Germany in WW2. While publicly and in government declaring the war still could be own, Krupp secretly liquidated his German war bond and pulled all his money out of Germany hiding it in foreign accounts, money that otherwise would have gone to the war effort. Few people know that the government of Iran is the second largest stockholder in Krupp, one reason Germany so opposes any sanctions against Iran.
     
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    VW should have been permanently banned from the USA.
     
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    I don't suppose Trumps been bankrupt as many times as your country has Sobo.

    https://www.debtclocks.eu/public-debt-and-budget-deficit-of-germany.html

    I trust him with my money over your chancellor any day of the week. All investors do.

    I don't know what Krupp owns or what office he holds in your state, but he isn't president of the USA. The most powerful man in the world.
    So he may have the experience too, but he doesn't wield the same influence.
     
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    Krupp has 4 times the amount of Money that Trump has and his clan rules Thyssen Krupp since 168 years.

    Investors see Germany as island of stability. We have negative interest rates on state bonds. People actually pay Germany to accept their investment. Which means they trust our chancellor more than Trump. He obviously has to pay interest rates.
     
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    German cars have become overpriced POS. Extremely unreliable with absurd maintenance costs.

    VW became the largest by outright criminal fraud as the only reason. German cars should be banned from the USA.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Krupp is Mr Nobody here.
    Trump isn't.

    Germany is irrelevant here, America isn't.
     
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    Krupp owns 9 times the amount of money. He is propably the one who funds Trumps background team. Trump is a poor man compared to the real rich people.
     
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    Trump can have all Krupps money bombed into ashes.
    He can have the man killed.

    He can impound all his money.
    If Trump/America prosecutes Krupp, Germany will hand over Krupp and all his money to Trump/America.
     
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    This means people expect deflation in Germany. They speculate the value of the Euro will increase to offset the loss.
     
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