Germany still has 15 billion € open in this year budget and doesnt know what to spend it on

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  1. gnoib

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    Ramstein was completely unimportant. It would have been erased in the first 24 hours. The Fulda Gap was important because of the hills an mountains. They were like a shield, break through it and you are able to gutt Europe's belly. The Fulda river provides a very wide cleared valley in the center of Germany. Once you break through your are in the open and able to race and gut the defence.
    The Soviets thought this to be the most important axis of attack and had accordingly lined up their troops. They had the largest amount of #1 divisions in that sector. Spliting the NATO troops would have been devastating for Nato.
    The North would have been a very bad place it is flat, good for high speed attacks, but only if you can draw the opposition to the center. We called it the Ziper, if the Gap goes, everything goes.
    We had several top line Tank outfits, anti tank units and so on stationed in that era, probably the highest density ever. Same across the border. It would have been a blood bath, like never seen before.
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    The meteor really did not become operational in WWII.
    You truly need to learn your history, outside national pride.
     
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    Our KSK bekongs to the best special forces in the world.

    We dont need a massive army now, we have no enemy around us.
     
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    What about the Russians? They aren't very far away. About a days drive across Poland to the German border in a modern main battle tank. And I know you have no regard for the Poles.
     
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    Russia is no enemy and has a economy weaker than the city of munich. We have car companies more powerful than russian economy.

    Give me a reason why russia should attack us.
     
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    The Meteor was operationnal in WW2. It just didn't have the range to interact on continental europe. It was used to intercept V1 over the UK. It also wasn't needed on continental europe since the luftwaffe was totally defeated by the time it became operational.

    Your pathetic attempt to revise history is just that, pathetic.
     
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    He insults you because you want to be insulted. His policies are making you work harder for your goals.
     
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    If His Goal is the complete rip of American - European Relations. We become enemies.
     
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    What does that mean? Rip of American-European relations? His goal is to stop giving away money, material and manpower. His goal is to end as much of the corruption he finds. How does that fit into your idea of world superiority?
     
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    Revenge for getting their asses kicked for 100 years by Germans. Hey, nationalism is built on such things.
     
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    No, he wants cater russia. Germany was a close US ally. Infact the 2nd largest economy in the western block. Thanks Trump our nations divide. USA has become an enemy.

    Its Putins biggest dream to form a German-Russian alliance. He says that again and again. With the german tech and economy combined with russian rescources, there would be a new world order.

    Trump is deeply corrupted.

    Few hints Trump has no visited Germany in a state visit yet. Normal was 2 to 4 visits per year from any US president.

    Another fact, before trump german chancellor and american president phoned 3 times a week to discuss urgent matters. Our governments dont talk with each other anymore. Insiders say they have no contact since half a year.

    We reached the point where our defense ministry banned to purchase american defense products, since USA is seen as hostile country.
     
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    We dont see Russia as a threat.
     
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    The last germany-russia alliance lasted until 1941 and ended up destroying your country...
     
  14. Dayton3

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    By your own admission, Germany doesn't see ANYONE as a threat.

    But I can assure you that the world fourth largest economy and the largest in Europe does have enemies (and don't say Donald Trump).
     
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    Donald Trump being an idiot does not make the United States the enemy of Germany. Remember President Trump will be gone from 15 to 63 months from now.
     
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    We do, but non has the ability to invade us
     
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    And? What then? Wat happened happened.
     
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    We will have a different president. And whether Democrat or Republican if I were a gambling man (another vice I do not have) I would wager that whoever takes office will be immensely more acceptable to Germany and most other nations.
     
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    Why do you keep mentioning "invasion"? That's highly provincial and 19th century type of thinking.

    For example, an enemy of the United States could kill MILLIONS of American citizens without coming within hundreds of kilometers of the USAs physical borders.
     
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    And you think we would change our politics then? We currently cut more and more ties with USA. We dismiss defense projects, we end shared projects.

    It will be a different world then.
     
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    Neither Germans nor any other nation on Earth can cut ties with the United States. The U.S. is too large and too important to the rest of the world (economically if nothing else) for anyone to do that.

    And refusing to buy F-35s from the U.S. has no relevance to that.
     
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    because we have the ability to erase large parts of humanity from the planet. There are nations so high in tech development, they simply are untouchable.

    USA, Germany, France, Russia, China, Japan and UK.

    We dont need a massive army.

    We need a very good secret service, very good special forces. Combined with our tec thats good enough.

    Depend on stealth and sabotage. Add our stockpile of Pu and U as ulrimate threat and i think thats good to defend us.
     
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    Its not just F-35. Our army writes new contracts that make US arm producers impossible to get the contract. We systematicly cut out american companies from European contracts. We end projects with NASA and do it ourself.

    Look at our Europa mission. NASA got kicked out of the planning.

    We wont be allies anymore. Just two nations that have normal diplomatic relations. Like our relations with China.
     
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    As long as Germany is part of NATO it is an ally of the United States.
    And Germany won't dare leave NATO as you well know. If you think otherwise you're simply dreaming a nationalistic dream of a great Germany obtaining international greatness which it will never have.
     
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    Germany has no ability to "erase large parts of humanity from the planet".

    And now I know you will babble incoherently about Germany's "big plutonium reserves".

    All that means if you do not have nuclear weapons now. And be honest, you never will have.
     
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