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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just to give a little perspective...........

    There were Herbivore Dinosaurs and the vegetation to support them between 400 to 1200 miles from the North Pole about 60 Million years ago. The fossilized remains of both don't lie. Something cause the Earth to warm to that extent, man didn't exist and the fossils for oil were still walking around and growing from the ground. So what caused the Earth to warm that much? We know through indisputable fact that there were Herbivore Dinosaurs and the vegetation to support them between 400 to 1200 miles from the North Pole about 60 Million years ago. You can't rule out that the same process isn't happening again and nothing we can do will matter anyway.
     
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  2. Jack Hays

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    More doomsday rhetoric shown to be baseless.
    The Financial Times and Island Nations Are Wrong – Climate Change Not Causing Stronger Hurricanes or Disappearing Islands
    HURRICANES SEPTEMBER 7, 2021
    Near the top of a Google news search for the phrase “climate change” today one finds a story in the Financial Times reporting island nations blame developed countries’ for causing stronger hurricanes and rapidly rising seas, both of which they claim are devastating their countries. This is false. Data from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the National Hurricane Center (NHC) show hurricanes have neither increased in number or strength during the recent period of modest warming. In addition, research shows sea levels rise is not increasing at a historically unusual rate and most island nations are adding land mass, not sinking beneath the waves. . . .
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Biden administration on Wednesday released a blueprint showing how the nation could move toward producing almost half of its electricity from the sun by 2050 — a potentially big step toward fighting climate change but one that would require vast upgrades to the electric grid.

    There is little historical precedent for expanding solar energy, which contributed less than 4 percent of the country’s electricity last year, as quickly as the Energy Department outlined in a new report. To achieve that growth, the country would have to double the amount of solar energy installed every year over the next four years and then double it again by 2030.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/08/...8457&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc
     
  4. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A claim the data don't support.
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    Figure: Last 50-years+ of Global and Northern Hemisphere Accumulated Cyclone Energy: 24 month running sums. Note that the year indicated represents the value of ACE through the previous 24-months for the Northern Hemisphere (bottom line/gray boxes) and the entire global (top line/blue boxes). The area in between represents the Southern Hemisphere total ACE.
     
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  7. Jack Hays

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    I saw your post late last night and failed to see that the paper you cite is over a year old. It has already been debunked as mere statistical sleight-of-hand.
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    Highly Touted Alarmist Hurricane ‘Study’ Sets New Low for Misleading Deception
    Hurricanes May 21, 20208
    The media are breathlessly touting a cheap new “study” falsely asserting climate change is causing an increase in strong hurricanes. In reality, the study relies on deception, unethical data manipulation, and aggressive misrepresentation of quite normal short-term trends to support its false claim. . . .
     
  8. Jack Hays

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    Arctic sea ice is having a robust year.
    Stalled: September Arctic Sea Remains Surprisingly Stable Over Past Decade, “Long Way From Predicted “Ice Free”
    By P Gosselin on 10. September 2021

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    This year’s Arctic sea ice minimum reaches third highest level in a decade, latest data show.

    Die kalte Sonne here presents its latest climate video. The first part looks at this year’s Arctic sea ice melt season. Now that it’s September, sea ice extent has just about reached its minimum for the year and soon the annual refreeze will begin.

    We recall that years ago alarmist scientists and wacko activists, like al Gore, predicted an ice free Arctic by now. Today we look at the most recent data and we see that we are a very long way from that point. . . .
     
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    My favorite weather analysis occurred some years ago during a particularly bitter winter. The climate obsessed explained that the extreme cold resulted from climate change. It is easy to confuse weather and climate and some people do it.
     
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    Well you could load government up with money. I'm told climate change is greedy. That should do it.
     
  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So much ice is melting that Earth’s crust is moving
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02285-0

    "Glaciers and ice caps are unique high-resolution repositories of Earth's climate history, and ice core analysis allows scientists to examine how environmental changes—like shifts in precipitation patterns and global warming—affect rates of snowfall, melting, and in turn influence ice cap growth and retreat," said Sarah Das, Associate Scientist of Geology and Geophysics at WHOI. "Looking at differences in climate change recorded across several ice core records allows us to compare and contrast the climate history and ice response across different regions of the Arctic." However, during the course of this study, it also became clear that many of these coastal ice caps are now melting so substantially that these incredible archives are in great peril of disappearing forever.
    https://phys.org/news/2021-09-reversal-response-western-greenland-ice.html
     
  12. Jack Hays

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    Apples & oranges. Sea ice =/= glaciers and ice caps.
    Moreover, 99.5% of Greenland's ice cover in 1900 is still there in 2021. The loss is miniscule.
     
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    I doubt this will work but I'm trying to post a similar image of storm ACE for the Atlantic back to 1850. [Can't figure out how to post an image that doesn't have a URL.]
     
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    Trying another thing.
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  16. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year. And it’s going to get worse.
    Ice is melting faster worldwide, with greater sea-level rise anticipated, studies show.


    Where Greenland’s toes dip into the sea, ice is melting

    That’s where the results of a six-year NASA campaign to study the influence of warming ocean waters on the melting of Greenland’s glaciers have some unsettling news.

    Together with the University of Leeds study, the NASA research helps show why global ice loss is likely to further speed up as global warming continues. One of the main mechanisms causing Greenland’s glaciers to flow faster into the sea, unlocking inland ice and allowing it to slide toward the coast as well, is the encroachment of warm water underneath the ice in the many deep fjords of coastal Greenland.

    Scientists have observed accelerating ice loss in nearly every sector of the Greenland ice sheet. While researchers have suspected that warming ocean waters, rather than increasing air temperatures alone, may be behind the melting of glaciers in typically frigid northwest Greenland, for example, the evidence had previously been lacking.

    The new study, led by glaciologist Mike Wood, also of UC-Irvine and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, relies on measurements taken via hundreds of instruments deployed by aircraft and ships for the past six years, revealing the shape of the land that lurks under the ice where 226 glaciers terminate in the sea, as well as the temperature structure of waters coming into contact with the ice.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/01/25/ice-melt-quickens-greenland-glaciers/
     
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    Until 20 years ago, the only way we would get most of our world news was watching the news on TV or reading magazines. Now, with the internet and social media, we see news from all over the world 24/7 on multiple sources. These things are not new, but now the news travels so easy and fast that's it's in our face within minutes.
     
  18. Jack Hays

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    You're the one dodging the data.

    Greenland retained 99.7% of its ice mass in 20th Century!!!
    2015 › 12 › 30 › greenland-retained-99-7-of-its-ice-mass-in-20th-century
    One would think that the fact that 99.7% of Greenland's ice sheet survived the 20th Century ... 2,600,000 km3 / 2,608,165 km3 = 0.997 = 99.7%
    99.7% of scientists believing 99.7% of remaining ice with a 99.7% level of certainty
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    Relative to total ice, the loss is minimal. As I said, 99.5% of Greenland ice cover present in 1900 is still present today.
     
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    I can't, but climate scientists have. What we have now that wasn't a factor then is the hundreds of billions of pounds of CO2 emitted in to the atmosphere from man burning carbon based fuels.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does that dubious assertion matter since...........Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.
     
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    It matters quite a bit because the loss, although it's a big number out of context, is miniscule in context.
     
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    1955 - 1956... hell the whole 1950's kicked the **** out of the current "extreme weather" cycle.

    This whole thread is built on a lie.
     
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    Well duh :) The avatar should always be the strongest indicator..
     
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    OH NOOOO, tectonic plates MOOOOOOVVVVVVEEEEEE!!!!!!

    Nice little video explaining tectonic plate movements
    Plate Tectonics—What Are the Forces that Drive Plate Tectonics?- Incorporated Research Institutions for Seismology (iris.edu)

    Start from the beginning
    Science - 3rd grade - Chapter 5 Lesson 3 What are weathering and erosion? Flashcards | Quizlet
    This one is pretty neato!!
     

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