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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Count me as unsurprised that greed is a factor in killing the planet. Ignorance and greed and the primary drivers.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Enlightened self-interest.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Financial self interest for share holders of fossil fuel companies, certainly. But not enlightened, more like deluded.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    The voters were shareholders in the bank, not any specific company. And they were indeed enlightened.
    The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels by Alex Epstein - Goodreads
    https://www.goodreads.com › book › show › 2082104...


    An incredible demonstration of how to sound convincing using contradictory arguments and straw man fallacies, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels is a scathing ...
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An incredible demonstration of how to be convincing using science.
     
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    I didn't have anymore kids.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WASHINGTON — The most powerful part of President Biden’s climate agenda — a program to rapidly replace the nation’s coal- and gas-fired power plants with wind, solar and nuclear energy — will likely be dropped from the massive budget bill pending in Congress, according to congressional staffers and lobbyists familiar with the matter.

    Senator Joe Manchin III, the Democrat from coal-rich West Virginia whose vote is crucial to passage of the bill, has told the White House that he strongly opposes the clean electricity program, according to three of those people. As a result, White House staffers are now rewriting the legislation without that climate provision, and are trying to cobble together a mix of other policies that could also cut emissions.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/climate/biden-clean-energy-manchin.html

    When Manchin's headstone is engraved it should include the line..........."He put self interest before the interests of the world's population."
     
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    I love the technology involved in coal mining.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    You know if U.S. industry had built enough nuclear plants in the 1970s (at one time it was projected the U.S. would have about 1,000 nuclear power plants) then coal powered plants would've never been an issue.
     
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    Green energy is the problem. Fossil fuels are the answer -- unless we revive nuclear.
    Useless Green Energy Hitting The Wall
    October 13, 2021/ Francis Menton
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    • In the field of litigation settlements, people sometimes talk about a “win, win” scenario — a settlement structure where both sides can get some advantage and simultaneously claim victory.

    • By that criterion, what is “green” energy (aka intermittent wind and solar power)? The public pays hundreds of billions of dollars of subsidies to get the things built, and in return it gets: sudden shortages and soaring prices for coal, oil, gas and electricity; and dramatically reduced reliability of the electrical grid, leading to periodic blackouts and risks of many more of same; and despite it all fossil fuel use doesn’t go down.

    • It’s a “lose, lose, lose.”

    • As the world comes out of the pandemic and the international economy returns to attempting to fulfill normal consumer demand, you can see green energy hitting the wall pretty much everywhere you look. It’s just a question of which data points you want to collect for a day’s entertainment.
    READ MORE
     
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    Sure, give Joe and his cabal of left wing nuts $Trillions and all your freedom and they will adjust the earth's temperature! Why didn't Jim and Tammy Faye Baker think of this scam?

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    Don't you think that not immediately groveling before the Climatists is a form of hate speech and indicative of terroristic intent? You should probably alert Dirtbag Garland the Dirtbag FBI
     
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    It's Trump's fault the wind stopped blowing and rendered "Green" 17th century power generation technology, useless.

    IT’S COME TO THIS: Oh Please! Climate Crazies Claim ‘Global Stilling’ At Fault For Wind Turbines Not Producing Energy.

    They are always either grabbing credit for another's accomplishment or blaming their disasters on others.

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    Is there nothing that “climate change” doesn’t affect?
    Which was yet another expensive lie.
    Credential but no qualified
    How many wiesel words can one cram into a single sentence?
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    No matter what we do, unless we can get the real polluters to change, nothing we do will be enough to change things. Pollution and global warming knows no borders. What happens in the Far East, Europe, Asia, Africa and S. America effects everyone.

    How many coal power plants are there in the world today ...
    www.iceagenow.info/how-many-coal-power-plants...

    Sep 30, 2019 · Total 3,534. That’s 5,615 projected coal powered plants in just 8 countries. USA has 15 – building 0 more..Total 15. And Democrat politicians with their “green new deal” want to shut down those 15 plants in order to “save” the planet.
     
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    Fake News. He's elected to represent WV's interests. If he forgets that, he will be replaced with someone who will remember. And Biden's a blithering idiot who mindlessly reads words off a teleprompter and little else. Where is his vaccine mandate? Biden's a grifter. Any money he can get appropriated will disappear into thousands of streams of graft while the rest of us get nothing but the bill. "Give me all your money and your freedom and I'll control the temperature of the earth!"

    What a load of crap. He can't even write an executive order for a vaccine mandate, which he claimed was "imperative", how many weeks ago? You can't possibly believe this nonsense.

    US Coal "Roars Back" Under Biden Unlike Trump

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    Surprised? You shouldn't be.

    We've become more dependent on "green energy" which is undependable, which has created an "energy crisis that is forcing the U.S. to restart coal-fired power plants well ahead of the winter season to prevent electricity shortages."

    "U.S. power plants are on course to burn 23% more coal this year, the first increase since 2013, despite President Biden's" endless incoherent blathering about "a national grid to run on 100% 'clean energy' by 2035."
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    Everything was better when the steady hands of the Orange Miracle Worker were on the wheel guiding the Ship of State.
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    Biden just lurches from one screw up to the next. A shivering nation this winter with empty store shelves and rapidly deteriorating currency will hear these clowns launch forth with their great plans to cool the planet.

    Let's Go Brandon!
     
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    Most people don't deny Climate Change and that the Earth is warming but for three things:

    1. There really is no proof that this just isn't a normal periodic warming of the planet as the planet has had many times over. It may just be a coincidence that man made gases just happen to be increasing at the same time as the planet decided to have a warming event. If the industrial revolution never happened we might still have been right where we are anyway. It can't really be proven either way.

    2. The left are naive in thinking that man can control mother nature. Even the Paris accords, if you read the fine print, never said temps would actually reverse. The fine print acknowledged that no matter what we did, temps would still rise, just at a slower rate.

    3. Assuming the left were actually correct about everything, the only way to reverse it all is to have the entire planet cooperate. Americans could go back to living like cavepeople but if China, India, and the other more highly polluting countries didn't change, our caves along the coast would still get flooded. According to the following link, the US actually ranks 84th in the world on a pollution scale. We can't change what the other 83 countries on top of us do.

    https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries
     
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    well, I did suggest the U.S. going to war with China and reducing their economy to the 1990 level but for some reason no one would go for that.
     
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    Claims of increases in disasters actually reflect only increases in reporting.
    EM-DAT Disaster Database Creating Data Disasters
    Kip Hansen
    These UN reports themselves are “Data Disasters” – in that the data upon which they are based is so flawed that it is not fit for purpose. The flaw is,…

    "Dear Mr Hansen,

    Thank for your e-mail. You are right, it is an increase in the reporting. I share your e-mail with your director, Prof. D. Guha-Sapir, who may want to add her input.

    Best regards, Regina"
     
  19. Lee Atwater

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    Oil Executives Testify on Industry’s Role in Climate Disinformation

    House Democrats have begun questioning the executives of some of the world’s biggest oil and gas companies — Exxon Mobil, Chevron, BP and Shell — over allegations that the companies for years spread disinformation about the role played by fossil fuels in global warming in order to slow action on climate change.

    “This is a historic hearing. For the first time, top fossil fuel executives are testifying before Congress under oath about the industry’s role in causing climate change and their efforts to cover it up,” said Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, the chairwoman of the committee. “We can prevent a climate disaster while keeping energy costs low and creating good paying jobs, but only if Big Oil acknowledges its central role in this crisis and commits to meaningful and immediate action.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/climate/oil-executives-house-disinformation-testimony.html

    One wonders how much of the oil company "research" a certain climate change denier has been a victim of in formulating his opinion?
     
  20. Jack Hays

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    All research results were published and shared with the IPCC.
    The "Exxon Climate Papers" show what Exxon and climate science knew and shared
    2016 › 04 › 20 › the-exxon-climate-papers-show-what-exxon-and-climate-science-knew-and-shared
    separate what is being said by the writer and what he is reporting from outside research. Exxon (and later ... legislation may be passed that will affect Exxon. He argues that Exxon should do their own environmental research
     
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    Nothing to see here folks.
    Dr Roger Pielke, Jr -What does IPCC AR6 say on Scenarios and Extreme Weather?
    Charles Rotter
    It is very appealing, even seductive, for activists and the media to latch on to extreme events (as inaccurately summarized in the SPM), but at some point we have…

    Abstract: In his lecture, Roger will give valuable insights on the recently‐released IPCC WG1 AR6 Report; describing it as a “code red for humanity” was not only wrong, it was irresponsible. Instead of apocalyptic warnings about “immediate risk” a top line message of this report should be: The Extreme Scenario that IPCC Saw as Most Likely in 2013 is Now Judged Low Likelihood, an incredible change in such a short time since the AR5 Report, which has not been highlighted by the media. Roger will also show that the IPCC has systematically and very helpfully gone through a large list of extreme‐weather phenomena in the detailed AR6 Report. Their results are quite surprising: floods, hurricanes, tropical cyclones, meteorological and hydrological droughts are not more frequent. Nor are tornadoes, hail, lightning or strong winds more frequent. However heatwaves are more frequent, as is extreme precipitation, and there are two other types of drought, namely agricultural and ecological drought, which have increased. It is very appealing, even seductive, for activists and the media to latch on to extreme events (as inaccurately summarized in the SPM), but at some point we have to say that objective science and its communication matters on this issue. This is a lecture and discussion of wide interest and is highly relevant in the lead‐up to COP26.
     
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    Democrats were right in there

    www.breitbart.com › the-new-king-coal-george-sorosThe New King Coal: George Soros - Breitbart
    Aug 17, 2015 · U.S. Securities and Exchange Act filings indicate that Soros has purchased an initial 1 million shares of Peabody Energy and 553,200 shares of Arch Coal, the two largest publicly

    www.msn.com › en-us › newsJoe Manchin has made millions from coal. He's also at the ...
    Oct 27, 2021 · Manchin, who isn't up for reelection until 2024, raked in nearly $1.6 million in the third quarter -- as he and another centrist Democrat, Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Simena, emerged as key
     
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    And 75% of all nuclear power plants leak or have leaked radioactive contamination into groundwater and rivers.
     
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    Who said they weren't?

    And what does that prove? .... that politicians on both sides of the aisle are corrupt and unprincipled? I don't see where Lee said otherwise. Manchin has a huge conflict of interest. Anyone who defends and/or protects fossil fuel companies is part of the problem.
     
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    China on verge of a solar power tipping point, study finds

    By 2023, China will have the capacity to deploy solar power nationwide at the same price as coal, and currently has that ability in three-quarters of the country, according to a joint study from Harvard, Tsinghua, Nankai and Renmin universities.

    “Today subsidy-free solar power has become cheaper than coal power in most parts of China” in a trajectory spreading across the country, study coauthor Xi Lu said in a statement.
    https://thehill.com/policy/equilibr...rld's largest carbon,according to a new study.

    Since China is the biggest emitter of CO2 this is a very encouraging development.
     

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