Given the ONLY option ALLOWED by Republicans to protect our children, arming folks!!!

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  1. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reality is, MOST mass shootings, are using assault rifles. So, to combat assault rifles, with megaclips, the protectors, I PRESUME, will need assault rifles, with many clips.

    This, around children.

    This, with a litigious parental hindsight that would make your head spin.

    This, with most folks not getting a surprise attack with guns, is even actually real, or guns, we have a ludicrous task.

    Since we don't have unlimited guards, to post at every corner, they I PRESUME, would storm the gunman. REALLY?

    There are likely to be myriad rules of engagement.

    In total, arming folks, with the assumption they can affect a PLANNED attack, with multiple assault weapons, and fast arming options, is BEYOND STUPID.

    It will do NOTHING but make us FEEL good, like taking off our shoes.

    Your only option allowed by the almighty NRA, is garbage. It will do NOTHING. BUT, sell moar guns, and make moar gun types. Get EVERYONE used to an armed society.

    Which, is the goal of the NRA. The org USED to front for gun owners, NOW, it is using you, to reap profits, by whipping up hysteria. And marching NOT to your dues, but their real masters, the gun producer industry lobby they actually are.
     
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    Your FIRST sentence is a lie AND I quit reading AT that POINT.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, scale that back to whatever you are comfy with, and They are possibly facing yadda yadda, and the reality is the same. So, get over your Trump reading comprehension, and READ ON.
     
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    There is NO point in READING on because your entire set up IS a lie.
     
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    nope you just need better FBI agents who dont drop the ball and these kids would still be alive. Have any of you gun grabbers made a statement that holds anyone at the FBI responsible? No right? why not?
     
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    Assault rifles

    In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

    • It must be an individual weapon
    • It must be capable of selective fire (full automatic capable)
    • It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle
    • Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine
    • And it should at least have an effective range of 300 metres (330 yards)
    ASSAULT RIFLES VS. ASSAULT WEAPONS

    The term assault rifle when used in its proper context, militarily or by its specific functionality, has a generally accepted definition with the firearm manufacturing community. In more casual usage, the term "assault weapon" is sometimes conflated or confused with the term assault rifle. The use of the term "assault weapon" is also highly controversial, as critics assert that the term is a media invention, or a term that is intended to cause confusion among the public by intentionally misleading the public to believe that assault weapons (as defined in legislation) are full automatic firearms when they are not.

    In the United States "assault weapons" are usually defined in legislation as semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:

    • a folding or telescoping stock
    • a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
    • a bayonet mount
    • a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
    • a grenade launcher
    • For the layman or low information, if a gun is black and scary looking...it's an assault weapon
    Assault weapons legislation does not further restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers.

    source -> http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/Assault_Rifle
     
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    First of all, there has been no mass shooting where an "Assault Rifle" was used. An "Assault Rifle" is a fully-automatic or select fire rifle. The AR15 is a semi-automatic center fired rifle.

    Secondly, there is no such thing as a "megaclip".

    Please know what the hell you are talking about if you want to be taken seriously.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know precisely what I mean, and your bafflement is for show.
     
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    So when do you think there will be a discussion on the cause of these tragedies, rather than the tunnel vision of method?
     
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    What I haven't seen in numerous threads about school shooting is a desire to find a reason they happen. To find out what drives these kids to commit these shootings. I suppose one could apply that to all mass shootings. Have we all just accepted the fact that these shootings will continue on forever not being interested in the cause, the reason.

    I don't think we can legislate the cause, the driving force out of existence. Especially when no one wants to look for it, to find it, to acknowledge that something we don't understand motivates these kids and other mass shootist to go on a killing spree.
     
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    False premise. Thread fail
     
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    So what do you think the FBI could have legally done. And why do you RepubLicans excuse Scott and all the law enforcement people in Florida who were the first line and had the most experience with the shooter. Blaming the FBI is just a pathetic attempt to excuse the Republicans who control Florida from any responsibility. Funny how you always cry local responsibility except when you need to excuse thevRepublican locals.
     
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    He showed no bafflement. He knew exactly what he was talking about, and was simply informing you as to how you're wrong. If you want to have a real discussion, you should also know those things which he educated you about. But I guess facts and details about the subject at hand don't matter if you don't want to a have a real discussion, but just spew partisan talking points.
     
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    Your ignorance is showing. The only reason these idiots use "assault rifles" is because they look scary. They're actually not a very good choice for a clandestine attack. But to claim you need an assault rifle to counter and assault rifle is asinine. Any gun is lethal - with the possible exception of a .22 which could kill but only at very close range. The best defensive weapon for concealed carry is a compact handgun in either a 9mm or .380 chamber with the proper training and a JHP round such as Hornady's Crictical Defense. The idea is to harden these soft targets we call schools and at least give the occupants a fighting chance against the inevitable next mass shooting event. The more you can distract the shooter, the less opportunity he will have to kill kids and with good training and a handful of anonymous adults in the building who drill and train with law enforcement, you might even give the shooter what he deserves - a ride to the morgue in a body bag.

    Couple this with law enforcement agencies actually paying attention when people report things, better mental health screening, and very very long prison sentences for anyone who commits any crime involving a firearm.
     
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    FBI does the NICS check
     
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    obama centralized these matters. It was up to the FBI to step in. They identified him as a imminent threat and never followed through. It was literally their job to do and they admittedly failed. This isnt open for debate. They had a job to do and failed. Had they done their jobs these kids would be alive now. They dropped the ball here in boston too but its pressure cookers that are the problem right? and stop saying you want to prevent these killings you dont. You cant even muster the fortitude to give the FBI a dirty look on this much less blame them.
     
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    YOU are THE exact REASON there WILL not BE a REASONABLE firearm DISCUSSION in THIS country. YOU end THE debate BEFORE it BEGINS.
     
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    What is your proposition for preventing mass shootings?
     
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    wE are FORBIDDEN by law, from looking into shooting stats. The Republicans REFUSE to allow it.
     
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    Yes, a wacky proposal, but we live in a wacky world, so it may help. In any case it would help more than any half baked Dem proposal which are thinly disguised lies to confiscate gun as an end goal. But, lets say you confiscate all guns...you will still have school shooting from black market guns. No other proposal would help.
     
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    DESTIGMATIZE getting help. Have resources available for those that realize they are different. Have MANDATORY resources for those that do not. Have watchful programs, for those that refuse to see they are different. One entrance/exit from school. Panic button. SMASH the right wing mentality, with their SOVEREIGN CITIZEN insurrections, and their Bundy standoffs. And stop telling right wing parents to hate, or remove power from teachers. Stop hating their unions. Stop hating millenials. STOP HATING establishment and society in general. EMPOWER teachers, and RERESPECT them.
     
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    Banning guns is stupid. There are better solutions that will actually work.
     
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    Ban assault TYPE weapons, as defined. Up the age, and make folks get insurance, to cover their potential damages, LIKE RC airplanes for CRAPS sake. REgister all weapons, and get a ballistics, if possible.
     
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    Banning guns is not stupid. Banning certain options, is sane and reasonable. Banning bump stops, is banning guns.
     
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    Nobody mentions how one can get anything into a school, while it's crazy to even attempt to do so at a courthouse, bank, congressional office building, amusement park, airports, etc. We protect Disney World better than we protect our children in schools. Not one liberal I've heard has proposed school entry checkpoints, metal detectors and guards akin to TSA. Do liberals love our children or just hate guns?
     

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