Glocks and Nazi memorabilia: I'd get in trouble at home for what I saw at a US gun show

Almost 3 times as many suicides as murders, most of which are gang-bangers killing gang-bangers or domestic violence, about 99% handguns yet the anti-gun left focuses on ARs? Why do you think they don't care about mental health care, marriage counseling and breaking the chain of gang life in the ghetto?

 

Pity that most of the suicides are middle aged white men

 

Right because the only way to kill yourself is with a gun.

 

Agreed. Pity that the number one cause of death of US black males age 15-34 are other black men. The solutions are better mental health and breaking the chain of gang violence.

Let's not forget that gang violence has been around for a few hundred years as exemplified in the movie "Gangs of New York", the historical rise of Irish and Italian crime gangs and, nowadays, the cartels. What's the solution? Why did US Irish and Italian gangs subside?

 

Agreed that banning guns will see a rise in suicides by hanging (Robin Williams), pills, carbon monoxide, etc.

 

You know, when reading your post and it's claims, my mind reaches out to Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan.....

 

I think their is a certain amount of shame when s man commits suicide and using a gun seems more macho than taking pills. It's a way of saying yeah I gave up and killed myself but I did it in a manly fasion by blowing my ****ing head off. The reality is if a man feels that strongly about ending his life he's going to find a way to do it with or without a gun.

 

Well, I personally own 9, and my wife has 3 and my 10 year old owns 4. Each have unique purposes. Most are specific to hunting.

A .22 rifle for each of us for small game hunting and target practice. The small caliber is great for fundamentals because of the light recoil .

A 20 ga shotgun for each of us. Used for grouse and quail hunting as well as trap and clay a shooting.

Wife and kid each have a. 270 rifle for deer hunting.

Kid has a. 22 pistol for target shooting, as do I

Then I have 12 ga shotguns (2). An over under for birds and trap, and a pump for water fowl.

I have 2 different deer rifles. One for heavy cover and one for long range shots.

Then I have 3 additional hand guns .. One for hunting, 1 in the biometric safe on my bedstand, and one for concealed carry (which I do not do often).

Lastly I have an AR variant. I hunt with it on occasion, but mainly use it at the range and keep it in my if the SHTF bag.

So, yeah, avid hunters can raise the curve.

 

Yes the overwhelming majority of which are suicides. Take that equation out and the number drops dramatically. And no you can’t try and make the argument that “well if they didn’t have a gun they wouldn’t off themselves.” Because that’s a fallacious and unverifiable argument and known data already strongly goes against it. For example despite having very very strict gun control laws Japan has twice the annual suicide rate as the US. So clearly the lack of guns doesn’t make such a difference.

 

This liberal doesn't live in a stupid big city, I can afford to be a gentry in the country on my estate..

 

Your 10-year-old own 4, where do they work to earn the money?
Ever thought about arming the fetus...I mean, just to play it safe...

 

No because of the weapons effect and it would reduce impulse suicides

 

And is a number of order times more than any other western civilisation

 

There is no evidence that there is a substitution effect

 

I grew up in OKC and it wasn't abnormal to see fist fights, gunplay and knife fights....I thought it was normal..And that was at school..

 

Your theory is noted and rejected. Robin Williams an anti gun lib just used a rope.

"Robin Williams reportedly suffered from severe depression, addiction, and alcoholism before he killed himself at his California home Monday.

We may never know exactly when and how Williams arrived at the decision to commit suicide, but one of the saddest realities about suicide is that it often results from impulsive decisions that might have never occurred again if the person had survived or backed out."

 

My dogs help me hunt prairie chickens, but they can't catch them and make the kill.

 

Well at least I have science on my side

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-causes-higher-suicide-rates-study-shows.html

 

That's BS, there are approximately 35k deaths per year, that includes homicides (14k per year), suicides, (20 k per year), and police interventions (1500 per year).

Show your source for 250 - 350 per day. Otherwise you are so full of **it your eyes are brown.

 

That's politically motivated science which so much so called science now is. They do a study looking for a certain conclusion and like magic find it

 

Gosh, even professional football and TV shows and the news are politicized now! Universities are totally politicized!

Science ain't hardly exempt, either!

 

Talk to yourself!

 

300 shootings x 365 days = 109,500. Do you have a link? Something that includes causes?

Your comment "Every day, 96 Americans are killed with guns" mixes suicides with murders (a few accidents). That's misleading and, IMO, it's dishonest for the ant-gun/gun ban movement to conflate suicides with murders.

 

Science is science. It just produces data. It's how others use that data that politicizes it or not. The study is one thing, how the author of the Slate article views the data is another.

The article states: "Using five measures of gun ownership and controlling for other factors associated with suicide, such as mental illness, we consistently found that each 1 percentage-point increase in household gun ownership rates leads to between 0.5 and 0.9 percent more suicides. Or, to put it the other way, a percentage-point decrease in household gun ownership leads to between 0.5 and 0.9 percent fewer suicides.


Are the people not killing themselves with guns simply committing suicide by other means? Some are—but not all. While reduced household gun ownership did lead to more suicides by other means, suicides went down overall. That’s because contrary to the “folk wisdom” that people who want to commit suicide will always find a way to get the job done, suicides are not inevitable. Suicides are often impulsive decisions, and guns require less forethought than other means of suicide—and they’re also deadlier."

The first paragraph quotes some data, then the second goes more into opinion. There are about 45,000 suicides in the US every year with about half of them using firearms. For every suicide, there are 25 attempts....unless you're using a firearm. That's the gist of the article; firearms are lethal. No ****. Impulsively taking pills, driving off a cliff or slitting one's wrists offers a chance of survival, but a gunshot to the headshot is usually very efficient....and painless compared to the other methods. Of the 45,000 annual suicides, about 23,000 use firearms. Usually a handgun, not the anti-gun Left's favorite gun to hate: the AR. So why do they want to ban the AR and not handguns? "One step at a time. One step at a time".

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

As the data in the article showed, gun owners have a higher percentage of suicides compared to non-gun owners. Duh. First, that's like saying people who own cars are more likely to die in a car accident than people ride buses. Second, it is a matter of lethality. Remember the 25 attempts to every successful suicide? There isn't much "attempt" to a gun suicide. It works very well. So can't we read this that non-gun owners are 25 times more likely to attempt suicide than gun owners? After all, if guns are so lethal in suicide and there are 25 attempts for every actual suicide, doesn't it make sense that owning a gun is done by sensible, non-suicidal people?

Another point not addressed is the "why" of suicide. There's a big difference between a 22 year old college student ODing on pills and a 70 year old cancer patient eating a bullet. Obviously the anti-gun Left doesn't want to write articles about those studies.

Next up: Discussing suicide rates by country and gun countries vs. gun control countries
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/

 

He saved allowance for the pistol. The .22 was a birthday gift for his 8th, then the .270 for his 9th, and the shotgun for his 10th .he loves to hunt, and is extremely discipled in safe firearm practices.