GoFundMe for Pres. Trump’s wall raises almost $11 million in 4 days

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  1. BahamaBob

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    Pelosi is an old lady hanging out in Hawaii at this time and playing politics while Americans die at the hand of illegals. She is worth about 200 million and has armed guards around the clock. Not exactly one of the people. I am surprised she can still smile with all the plastic surgery she has had. Not much flexibility left in that face. Actually resembles a dead gopher more than a smile.

    Nice straw dog. This money isn't donated to the Treasury. I am sure The Donald will be able to make accommodations for a disable vet. We'll see if a smiling Pelosi will be able to stop it and what political costs she is willing to pay.

    Always makes me smile when a Democrat calls for fiscal restraint. That has to be an oxymoron. Such a pathetic attempt to be relevant.
     
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    Actually, the wait period to receive a tourist visa after being deported would only be 5 years, the penalty for illegal entry is more severe, hence most illegal immigrants come in on visas

    Also, there are several flaws in the number you presented on the cost of illegal immigration

    1. The primary expenses they calculated isn't the cost of illegal immigrants at all, but what their children who are citizens cost on the system, which is primarily education expenses(which FWI, a wall would not fix). If we're going to include the children of immigrants in the expenses, then why not include their grandchildren, and great grandchildren? (which would most likely include both of us)

    2. While the report calculates the expenses of the children of immigrants, it fails to report what they put back into the system as adult aged tax paying citizens. By that standard EVERYONE who attended a public school as a child is a greater expense to the system than a benefit

    3. The report includes the cost of immigration enforcement, which in that case a $20 to $50 billion wall would add to the overall expense, not reduce it

    4. The report gets the overall number of illegal immigrants already in the country wrong (which FWI, a wall would not fix), by using exaggerated numbers

    5. The report assumes illegal immigrants consume an amount of healthcare proportional to their share of the population. In actuality, immigrants cost 55% less per capita on the healthcare system than the native per capita average.

    6. The report completely leaves out over $11 billion increases in tax revenue through property taxes that illegal immigrants create

    7. The report completely leaves out illegal immigrant workers' contribution to social security (a program which they do not benefit from), which amounts to approximately $18.5 billion in additional revenue

    8. The report fails to properly calculated tales tax revenue from illegal immigrants, which would amount to approximately $1.6 billion in additional revenue

    https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed



    To say that their methodology for calculating their numbers is flawed would be an understatement. Their methods are simply not credible
     
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    Your's seems a little flawed as well. Here is one fact you forgot.

    DOJ: 26% of Federal Prisoners Are Aliens

    The federal prison system cost $182 billion annually.

    This doesn't include the ones in state prisons. I don't know the total number but Texas alone has over 140,000 of them locked up.
     
  4. Renee

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    Trump sure knows his base. He has you scared shitless thinking about all these “bad” Immigrants. Perhaps rather than build a wall we should hire more law enforcement to see that people who need asylum get it
     
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    Great....throw away your money...Don’t give it to a cause that helps people would be awful....sucker!
     
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    Once again, you're spouting 'feel-facts' in direct opposition to objective reality. The President can't do dick with the money. It would result in instant impeachment if he were stupid enough to even try. SCOTUS would unanimously laugh his stupid ass out of court. Any federal employee or contractor who accepted one penny of that money without direct congressional approval would be subject to immediate termination of employment and arrest. You are totally clueless on this, or having a FAUX Noise senior moment. Stop salivating over Hannity's impotent poutrage and READ THE EFFING MANUAL FOR ONCE!

    http://constitutionus.com/
     
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    Great news! now all they need is $29,989,000,000 and they will have enough to build it without any outlay of american funds. Hopefully they'll have the money within the next 10 years.
     
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    I find that anyone who would be against border security to be un-American. We need to start raiding all these churches and sanctuary cities and snatch up all these illegals and arrest those who are harboring them for aiding and abetting a criminal. I stopped giving to the Food Banks because the majority is used to feed the illegals in my city.
     
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    The guy that called me a twit is having a fit about name calling? hilarious.

    Oh look...even MORE name calling. Hey how about you point out where Congress approved DONATIONS to be used for the wall?
     
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    He's all talk like the rest of Trump supporters. The RWers say that most people support the wall, yet thus far only roughly 300K people have donated. A pathetically low number.
     
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    The Donald ain't god emperor and can't do everything that he wants. Which is why he now pouts and whine about closing the border and cut off trade with Mexico, both are highly unlikely. As for Pelosi, she ain't got nothing to lose. That nut would never run for president anyhow.
     
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    VISA overstays account for the majority of the Illegal entries. However, the wall would deter most re-entries as they wouldn't be able to get another VISA once deported and would have to climb a 30ft tall wall, navigate through the razor wire and climb down another 30ft ladder before the Border Patrol arrives after tripping sensors.
     
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    Criminal aliens would have to cool their heels for 5 years.....the first time.
     
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    They will also need to raise the huge costs of maintaining the wall
     
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    Or pay the few hundred dollars to fly to Canada and walk across the open border
     
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    How do you know who is illegal? Do they wear a sign? Or is it just an easy way for you to discriminate against brown people. We want border security but not having to take away services for Americans. There are many ways to have what is security that won’t take away from education and other needs of this country are you aware of that illegal immigrants has gone way down since Obama and has been going down every year? And that’s without a $5 billion wall. I am sure you stop giving to food banks because after all it would help human beings but you only care about citizens, children who have poor parents should just starve. So American
     
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    But I am sure if you ask the same people to pay more in taxes for this wall that will be ineffectual they will balk
     
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    It does not matter if they are illegal or legal. The point is that all these church groups who supply free meals, clothing, housing or shelter are only enabling those who need to go back to their own country. For some, I am sure, it is better than what they had. They have no jobs and contribute nothing to our society. If they do find work , more than likely, it is being paid under the table by un-American employers. Welfare is not a Constitutional Right.

    Of course you know nothing about me. In fact, yesterday afternoon, a black woman took me and my wife out for lunch at a Greek restaurant. She is a administrator at a predominant black college. I'm sure she would have to disagree with you about my racial feelings.
     
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    This. The first sentence you wrote don't reconcile with the rest of your claims. Your problem is searching out the people that overstayed their visa's in the first place. If the majority of illegals are due to overstaying their visas then a wall is useless. You know about airplanes...right?
     
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    Actually it is a Constitutional Right under the General Welfare of We the People as stipulated in the Constitution by the Founding Fathers.
     
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    Who is building a wall? Trump isn't. You know that, right? He already admitted that there will be no 30' wall. Sorry.
     
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    Read the rest of my post, once deported the wall will keep criminal aliens from returning. As far as the visa overstays, require anyone entering the country on a visa to wear a non-removable GPS bracelet that activates as soon as their visa expires. Removal of the bracelet should be a felony. If caught after removing the bracelet, they serve 1 year in jail and are deported afterward with NO return ever to the U.S. The wall would prevent them from sneaking back in. Design the top of the wall that nearly guarantees anyone attempting to climb over has a 30 foot drop to the ground. If the bracelet only activates after they overstay, it makes them easy to find. As far as the cost, they pay the wholesale cost of the bracelets when they apply for the visa.
     
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    "General" is the key word in the "General Welfare" clause. Building a new bridge to replace one that's dangerous and about to fall down would be spending for the "General Welfare" of the people. Giving an illegal money to keep a roof over their heads would be "Individual Welfare" and not covered under the constitution.
     
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    LOL

    "non-removable GPS bracelet" Err, what? I'm sure weekend tourists will be happy wearing these bracelets and who is going to pay for the cost and administration of 75M tourists per year

    "Removal of the bracelet should be a felony" It's already illegal to overstay a visa!

    "Design the top of the wall that nearly guarantees" Err, again, "nearly" LOL what!

    "If the bracelet only activates after they overstay, it makes them easy to find" Err, again, what! Perhaps you have this secret design that makes these bracelets non- removable
     
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    There are 11,000,000 visas issued each year. While some are only good for a year some are good for as long as 6 years. That means that on average there are around 38 million visas that need to be MONITORED for overstays. Around 650,000 people overstay their visas.

    Where is the FUNDING coming from to MONITOR all these 38 million people? Do you have any idea how much that is going to cost taxpayers?

    In essence you are PENALIZING and CRIMINALIZING 38 million people because of the 1.7% who overstay.

    That will cause massive harm to US tourism and commerce as people will simply refuse to be treated like criminals under your beloved BLOTUS's dictatorial regime.
     

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