GOP Leaders are Trying to Bribe An Alaska Senator—By Letting Her State Keep Obamacare

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As much as Washington is polarized, there is no working together it seems. Each party views the other as the worst enemy, the number one enemy of this nation. More of a threat than North Korea, Iran, Russia, the national debt, terrorist, you name it. Until that is rectified there will be no working together on anything.

    Another problem is things, issues like healthcare, immigration, etc. are much more important to the two major parties as political campaign issues to rally their base that solving the problems is against their own best interests. Once a problem is solved, it goes away as a campaign wedge issue.
     
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    Agreed.

    I think the Republicans made two fatal mistakes taking on the ACA replacement...again. One is what I already said, but the second one is NOT taking on tax reform. That could easily have been passed on a bipartisan basis, and would demonstrate to the citizens of this country that yes, they can work together for a common cause. But no. They had to go back to the political theater, and show everyone once again how we are now too far separated to ever get anything meaningful done.

    I'm very concerned for the future of this country now. I feel bad for my kids.
     
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    Yup, you are 100% right about Sanders. I can't believe any of the Democrats are backing him, either. Gee, let's counter the bad Republican plan with something at the very opposite end of the spectrum that's been tried for decades with no success. What a winning idea! Not.

    that said, I think that single payer is now pretty much a reality for this country. This partisan bickering and "hey, look at my crappy bill!" isn't working, and the American people will start to get very restless, if most of them are not already.
     
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    The word "bribe" is inflammatory and insinuates a crime. Nothing could be further from the truth. As you state, political wrangling is very common with bills as important as HC. The problem with Alaska is that HC costs and just about everything else is much more expensive there. Their sparse population in relation to the size of the state does present a unique situation. Alaska could receive some consideration to any block grant consideration but is hardly a bribe to Murkowski.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/21/alaska-medicaid-cuts-senate-obamacare-repeal-242978

    Blue states will also want special consideration, especially CA & NY. CA is going broke because of the amount of social welfare to illegals, high cost of living and regulations not imposed on other states. Once they deplete their block grant, they will no doubt be asking for more money. This bill would need safeguards to prevent that.

    I see little or no chance of the Graham-Cassidy Bill passing. It would be better than Obamacare. You can look forward to keeping Obama's loser. Get your check book out, if you can find a plan.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We're too busy fighting within, among ourselves to pay any attention to what is happening to this country as a whole. This in fighting reminds me of the early days of the Vietnam War where general after general would stage a coup to take over power or the country. They were so busy fighting among themselves, they didn't have time to fight the real enemy, the communist.

    In other words, Republicans and Democrats are too busy fighting each other, to either gain or regain power, that neither is paying attention to the country.
     
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    The difference is democrats are marching in lock-step with each other on every issue, that's ideological agreement. The infighting between republicans shows there is no ideological lock-step marching by them. And republicans have been doing what the people want since dems have been losing elections since 2010.

    Steve
     
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    Good post!
     
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    The people who elected the Republicans, myself included, wanted the Republicans to come up with a healthcare plan that will reduce costs across the board for everyone and reform our cumbersome tax code. They have done neither. What specifically have they done that we wanted?
     
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    We haven't had a general election since 2016, and recent special elections are still being won by republicans.

    If we give the congress a chance to work out their differences then I'm sure they'll find a solution. BUT the REAL PROBLEM IS STILL DEMS MARCHING IN LOCK-STEP with each other to oppose any changes. Dems own it no matter what happens.

    Steve
     
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    Okay, but once again, what specifically have the Republicans delivered to those of us who voted for them?
     
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    We haven't had a general election since 2016, and recent special elections are still being won by republicans.

    If we give the congress a chance to work out their differences then I'm sure they'll find a solution. BUT the REAL PROBLEM IS STILL DEMS MARCHING IN LOCK-STEP with each other to oppose any changes. Dems own it no matter what happens.

    Steve
     
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    So you weren't talking about Republicans being elected since 2010 then. You were only talking about President Trump.
     
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    Lol at your fake outrage.
    Democrats loved it when they did the exact same thing when passing obamacare. Cornhusker kickback much?
     
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    And where is your outrage at this particular bribe? A Bribe that attempts to win her over by exempting her entire state from the law.
     
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    Lol im just as fine with as you were when obama and pals jammed obamacare down Americas throat.

    Why do you think your special?
    Where were you when obama and pals were lying to the entire country about our healthcare system?
    Did you.really believe we were gonna let you get away with all those lies, and deceit?
     
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    Both political parties bribe each other with pork, in order to secure votes. This isn't new, or surprising!
     
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    Admit it. You're just an ideological democrat (leftist) trying sow discord within the republican party. That's what the media is also doing.

    Steve
     
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    You celibate the precedent and then whine when its followed? Can you see which finger I'm holding up?

    "Direct me to your outraged posts at the Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase, Gator Aid that were used to get Obamacare passed."

    Which is worse?
    i) A whiner?
    ii) Hypocrite?
    or
    iii) A whining hypocrite?
     
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    The ACA was created by the " Gang of Six " 3 Dems and 3 Republicans.

    Then with the Framework it went into committee

    Unfortunately key elements were stripped from the bill.

    The ability to buy across state lines which didn't allow for competition ( Lower Prices ) and Medicaid expansion across the board which some states didn't participate in.
     

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