Gov. Kasich Signs Law Banning Down Syndrome Abortions.....

It is not about dollars alone. I read your story and sadly not all parents can do this. All too many end in institutions

Also consider that many many Downs children are born with congenital heart defects as well as a predisposition to leukaemia so thier road is far rockier. You cannot judge what else is going on in that family. There may be other disabled or ill children requiring care

 

Don't deflect

 

One also has to consider what happens to the adult child once the parents are gone. Are they provided for or does the State provide for them?

 

Oh stop with the Nazi crap, the Go-To for those with no good argument....and don't know the difference between BORN and UNBORN...



Women here still have the right to their own bodies and if Kasich doesn't want to fund these kids he should shut up.

 

Those are BORN PERSON'S WITH RIGHTS..... a fetus has no rights.

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Then you are NOT Pro-Choice if you think women have only YOUR CHOICE!!!!!!!!

NO, they are not....they have a condition that may take thousands of dollars to treat, they need special education, they need special care .

Again, you are NOT Pro-Choice and please don't claim you are, it gives Pro-Choice a bad name.

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Oh, gee, I bet women every where thank you for that advice because they didn't think of that without YOUR help.



NOW, if you ARE Pro-Choice contact all your legislators, the Republican ones , and tell them to stop throwing obstacles in the way of women who want abortions as early as possible....


Are you going to do that????????



Then tell the Anti-Choicers to go ADOPT unwanted kids even if they are NOT perfect.........

 

Then I'm glad to see she fully supports herself ,and is independent of her aging parents because a time will come when they won't be there.....


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Margot2 said: ↑
Yes. Would you have preferred that your daughter have NOT been born with birth defects?

Have you ever considered how SHE FEELS !? Doesn't seem like it .....maybe SHE would have preferred being born with no defects,... but NO, ONLY your feelings count, right?


...and again, not all "special needs" kids are the same and YOU should know that ...

 

No deflection, groups and local governments compete for federal/State dollars for programs.......the more programs less dollars to go around. Mind you that our family was lucky that we can sustain our daughter but many families can not. With entitlement programs stretched very thin many adult special needs children suffer.

 

Thanks but the credit and hard work was my wife, I was on many deployments with the Army and gone for long periods of time throughout my career.

 

Many parents do think about and plan.

 

OH, how NICE for YOU......none of the work, just the fun parts....

Not everyone can escape the constant care a special needs child needs....hence their RIGHT to abort the fetus....

 

The more special needs kids the less dollars to go around.....talk to your REPUBLICAN legislators who want to cut funding to any entity that aids children...

 

exactly, if he really cared he would of added addl funding for parents of children with Down Syndrome children

 

All the arguments that the Nazi regime used to justify their purge of the handicapped from their society. They are a drain, they will never become productive members of society so we should just kill them all off right now. And you are wrong fetuses do have rights according to SCOTUS so quit lying about that like I constantly see you doing. As the pregnancy progresses the state has more and more vested interest in seeing that fetus come to term. This is why states can stop abortions after 22 weeks the age of typical viability.

Tons of people with handicaps live long, happy and productive lives.

I guess you also support aborting black babies born in the inner cities since statistically lots of taxpayer money is going to be used on welfare for them.

 

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Those were BORN people with rights.

And your comparing the suffering, torture and terror people faced at that time with the quick painless death of a fetus is disgusting and despicable.

LIST THOSE RIGHTS.

Yes, there are laws against abortion AFTER 23 weeks , VIABILITY.

That is a PROTECTION NOT a RIGHT.

So? Tons more don't and would give everything they could to be normal...

What a racist and ignorant statement to make.


I don't support abortion for anyone.

I support ( UNLIKE YOU) women's right to CHOOSE to gestate or abort.


The Nazis wanted to use control and force on born humans...control and force, like controlling women's reproductive choices...and FORCING them to give birth.

 

You can be charged with double homicide if you kill a fetus and a mother. States can ban abortions after 22 weeks or viability. If a fetus had no rights then how can you legally charge someone for its death or prevent an abortion after a certain time period/ If by your logic only after its completely out of the womb that means that you support partial birth abortion up until 9 months which makes you a fringe nut job.

If you want an abortion you get it done before viability otherwise you are stuck with it. If you want the abortion just because the kid has down syndrome or some other non life threatening condition then you are a ****ing horrible person.

 

There are a number of women who are just not emotionally (or financially) equipped to handle a special needs child. My hat's off to those who can. But it's not realistic to force some of these women to take on a child when both will suffer.

I will never have to face that decision - men don't. It's easy for us to say, "You must have that child," but would you be willing to take care of it if your going to force someone to bring it to term? Didn't think so. Lot of internet courage here.

 

Downs syndrome is not some horrible incapacitating disease. Have you ever actually met any people with downs? Many of them can become high functioning member of society and while as I said they won't be doctors or lawyers they can become largely self sufficient. This isn't being born with half a brain or some muscle wasting disease of all the mental handicaps downs syndrome is one of the least.

Lot of bullshit excuses going on year like abortions for poor people are justified because those kids aren't going to grow up in an upperclass lily white neighborhood. Explains why PP has all of their clinics in black neighborhoods.

 

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Those were BORN people with rights.

And your comparing the suffering, torture and terror people faced at that time with the quick painless death of a fetus is disgusting and despicable.

LIST THOSE RIGHTS.


Yes, there are laws against abortion AFTER 23 weeks , VIABILITY.

That is a PROTECTION NOT a RIGHT.


So? Tons more don't and would give everything they could to be normal...


What a racist and ignorant statement to make.


I don't support abortion for anyone.

I support ( UNLIKE YOU) women's right to CHOOSE to gestate or abort.


The Nazis wanted to use control and force on born humans...control and force, like controlling women's reproductive choices...and FORCING them to give birth.

I see you COULD NOT list the rights you claim the Supreme Court gave fetuses.

Fetuses have NO rights, as I said (but you don't want to acknowledge), they have PROTECTIONS.

See, "protections" and "rights" are two different words for a reason....try to figure it out.

The UVVA does NOT say fetuses are persons with rights ,AND NEITHER DOES THE SUPREME COURT AS YOU CLAIM, it just allows stiffer penalties for killing someone else's fetus.


And your comparing the suffering, torture and terror people faced at that time with the quick painless death of a fetus is disgusting and despicable.

 

WHO do you think you are to determine what kind of life others have????

More of your racist crap...........PP clinics do NOT force anyone to have an abortion. They aren't place in upperclass lily white neighborhoods because they aren't needed
there and probably wouldn't be allowed there.



Why do you think black women should have less rights than white women????

 

Who are you to automatically assume that everyone one with Downs is going to be a mental vegetable or that everyone born into a poor family is automatically going to be poor when they grow up? I am not making the judgement you are. I am willing to let that person grow up and determine their own existence meanwhile you just want to outright kill them without even giving them a chance.

I bet when you watched that banned Downs syndrom commercial from France that you sneered and whispered "Those ****ing degenerate monkeys should not be alive. They should be dead."



Look more of these horrible subhumans incapable of being perfect that you and the Nazis want to get rid of entirely because they don't fit your narrow paradigm.



I worked with people like this and with other disablities for years when I was younger and judgemental *******s and pricks like you that run around declaring them useless and meaningless and not worthy of living are sadly a disgusting reminder that some aspects of Nazism haven't gone away.

 

No, I do not , that is ANOTHER MISrepresentation of what I posted. Why do Anti-Choicers always have to resort to lies?

I do NOT want the right to kill them, I want pregnant women to have the right to their own body.

YOU want to make women property of the government!!!!

Pouty emotional flamebait....keep it up




I see you COULD NOT list the rights you claim the Supreme Court gave fetuses.

Fetuses have NO rights, as I said (but you don't want to acknowledge), they have PROTECTIONS.

See, "protections" and "rights" are two different words for a reason....try to figure it out.

The UVVA does NOT say fetuses are persons with rights ,AND NEITHER DOES THE SUPREME COURT AS YOU CLAIM, it just allows stiffer penalties for killing someone else's fetus.


And your comparing the suffering, torture and terror people faced at that time with the quick painless death of a fetus is disgusting and despicable.

 

So - given this law, we could have women forced to bring a child to term when they would have aborted it no matter if it were a Downs child or not ...
Stupid law - the rich will just take a "vacation" and the poor will be forced to bring a child to term, with the possibility of life threatening complications that any
birth entail.

This rich/poor distinction was one of the major factors in the Supreme Court ruling the way they did in Roe v. Wade.

 

You said they didn't have any rights. The SCOTUS ruled that states can in fact prevent women from having abortions after 22 weeks.

You then claim I am against abortion which is tacitly false. What I am against is screening for Down's Syndrome because it isn't long for screening for kids that will have high risk of diabetes or cancer. If you want to claim that because someone may or may not have a debilitating condition then you have to also use that same criteria for kids with other diseases. Instead of giving them a chance you just want them all dead. <Mod Edit>

Did you even watch the videos. <Mod Edit> Do any of those Down's syndrome people look like they are suffering horribly? Do they?

 

I see you COULD NOT list the rights you claim the Supreme Court gave fetuses.

Fetuses have NO rights, as I said (but you don't want to acknowledge), they have PROTECTIONS.

See, "protections" and "rights" are two different words for a reason....try to figure it out.

The UVVA does NOT say fetuses are persons with rights ,AND NEITHER DOES THE SUPREME COURT AS YOU CLAIM, it just allows stiffer penalties for killing someone else's fetus.


And your comparing the suffering, torture and terror people faced at that time with the quick painless death of a fetus is disgusting and despicable.

NO, the Supreme court DID NOT GIVE FETUSES RIGHTS AS YOU ERRONEOUSLY CLAIM.

They allowed the states to regulate abortion AFTER VIABILITY.



Fetuses have NO rights, as I said (but you don't want to acknowledge), they have PROTECTIONS.

See, "protections" and "rights" are two different words for a reason....try to figure it out.

Guess you could NOT tell the difference between "protections" and "rights"........I can only post in English so if you can't find a dictionary I can't help you.

ANOTHER thing you claim but can't prove AGAIN Anti-Choicers HAVE to LIE they have nothing else.

NO where can you show that I want them killed....

In your ego centric world pregnant women and their rights don't exist but in the REAL world they do and I am FOR women having rights and YOU are AGAINST WOMEN HAVING rights.

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LOL! Your biased videos mean NOTHING to women's rights....and women still have the right to abort