Government braces for shutdown as Senate fails to meet deadline for spending deal

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet who was the winner in this latest shutdown? What did Schumer win negotiating against "Jello".

    Trump backed them into a corner of their own making and showed them just how the Art of the Deal works.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't it fun?
     
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    That's not a rational analysis.

    Trump killed DACA.

    Democrats are working to keep the kids from being deported before there can even be a bill on immigration.

    That's not a "deal". Trump didn't get a "deal".

    It's Trump killing DACA and Dems not having the numbers or support to oppose that.
     
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    Trump's already said he'll give Dreamers a path..........if and when he gets what he wants. It's actually quite simple. If the Democrats won't step up and make it happen, DACA is dead.
     
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    I'd comment on this, but the fact that you don't know how congress works makes it really not worth the time.
     
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    Congress will do the President's bidding, particularly when his party is in control. There's that little fly in the ointment, the veto pen.
     
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    Well well well - you discovered another piece of the puzzle.

    And, yes, McConnell is a eunuch - no more than a useful tool.

    Keep on with your civics.
     
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    No......his name is McCuckell. We agree on something AGAIN. :grin:
     
  9. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump did not kill DACA. It's still to be negotiated at a later date along with the other issues surrounding immigration.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Given that the President was elected to carry out his promised policies, as was Congress, it should be no surprise that they'll carry out these policies which, so far, have been working out very, very well.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Juvenile name calling is all the Democrats have left. No wonder the Republicans continue to rise in the polls while the leftists get sent back to school.
     
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    No, he did kill it.

    It's just that the date of the death is in early March.

    Had Dems not filibustered, there would have been NO CHANCE that a DACA bill could have been passed between now and the time when DACA kids would be deported.

    The Republican concession was that McConnell promises to try for a DACA bill to be negotiated.

    You seem to think that there IS time to do such a negotiation.

    Do you think that's going to work?

    If not, why shouldn't I see your argument as pure sophism?
     
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    So he's going to kill it then? In fact there is broad support for doing something about DACA''s who have a clean record and have shown themselves to be good citizens. The oft repeated idea is to pass some legislation which will prevent these happenings in the future. It's what the American people also want.
    So you feel that the Dems were successful in their weekend protest? What did they actually accomplish? They were embarrassed by a green politician, but a very successful businessman, who has brought a new game too this tired outfit..
    That was always there but the Democrats wanted, wrongly, to make it part of the budgetary process. They were exposed for the foolishness this was.
    Certainly. The agreement expires March 5 but it can also be extended, as Trump has already done.
    Probably. But it will have a better chance at success than what the Democrats just tried.
    How you view the facts depends on whatever deductive skills you may have developed.
     
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    Six Events that Prove Schumer-Shutdown Over DACA Was a Fraud
     
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    Fake News!

    Woman Accusing Missouri Governor of Taking a Racy Picture of Her In Order to Blackmail Her Now Says She Isn't Sure He Took A Picture of Her and May Have Dreamed The Episode

    Hashtag #BelieveAllWomen.

    Attorneys defending Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens against a felony invasion-of-privacy charge say his mistress-accuser isn't sure what happened. The woman, a hairdresser, claimed Greitens took a photo of her partially in the nude so he could blackmail her into silence about their affair

    She was bound and blindfolded at the time

    Now she testifies that she can't recall seeing him with a camera-phone, and doesn't know if her belief that he had the phone was the result of a dream

    Police arrested the governor on the basis of a recorded conversation she had with her husband, where she said she saw a camera flash through the blindfold

    She claims Greitens told her he had erased the picture, but the governor's defense team believes it never existed

    Now they're demanding prosecutors turn over any other evidence that might clear Greitens


    By the way, check out this Federalist piece on the prosecutor pressing this case -- she's a real Social Justice Warrior #Woke peach.

    Gardner has developed a negative reputation among police officers in St. Louis. She's looked the other way on cases into which they’ve poured time and energy; and she's gone after police officers with more aggressiveness than she’s gone after killers and thieves.

    That might explain why the new police chief in St. Louis, John Hayden, was so quick to point out to the press that the police had no involvement in the Greitens case. Not only did they not investigate, but the chief took issue with Gardner’s suggestion that the police had been asked to and didn’t: "It makes me frustrated because it’s as if she’s saying I failed to do something I’m supposed to do here, and that’s not the case at all. To date, nobody has tried to report this to the police department
    ."

    Her office put out a statement on this claim that the "victim" now says she may have dreamed being photographed:

    A spokeswoman for the St. Louis Circuit Attorney’s office says the latest court filing by attorneys for Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens is another attack on the “credibility of the victim.”

    Greitens faces trial in May on a felony invasion of privacy charge for allegedly taking a partially nude photo of a woman with whom he was having an affair in 2015 while she was blindfolded and bound.

    In a court filing Sunday, Greitens' attorneys say the woman testified she never saw Greitens with a camera or phone on the day he is accused of taking the photo. The court filing says the woman also testified during her Friday deposition that she doesn’t know if her belief that he had a phone was the result of a dream.

    Circuit attorney spokeswoman Susan Ryan says in a statement that the defense "cherry picked bits and pieces" of the woman’s nine-hour deposition.


    Um, if she did in fact say during the deposition that she can't be sure Greitens did the very thing he's being prosecuted for, and in fact may have only "dreamed" it,, that's not just a "cherry" that you pick from the bowl. That is the bowl.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/374723.php
     
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    More Fake News!

    Woman Who Accused MO Governor of Blackmail, But Now Doesn't Know if He Took Pictures of Her, She Now Says She May Have Dreamed It.
     

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