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Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sorry, I don't have a link yet, since this is truly breaking news. I got the thread title off of the current crawl on MSNBC. Will add as I find

    I include a thread from the announcement of this investigation back in November

    SNIP
    Congress’ nonpartisan watchdog said Thursday it is reviewing the Trump administration’s decision this summer to hold up hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid for Ukraine to determine whether officials violated appropriations law by not notifying Congress of the hold.

    A spokesman for the Government Accountability Office confirmed that the agency is reviewing whether the administration violated appropriations law by failing to notify Congress of the development after Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) requested the review during a Senate Budget Committee hearing last week.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/07/gao-trump-ukraine-military-aid-067439

    No real shock here... it was quite obvious from even cursory knowledge of the ICA that the Trump administration violated this. It's what Mulvaney, Duffey, and my main gal Elaine McCusker were talking about all summer.

    So, the WH violated the law and Trump was the instigator of the hold.

    Sounds like a high crimes or misdemeanor to me...

    Thoughts?
     
    Egoboy, Jan 16, 2020
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    icehole3 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, more wishy bone stuff.
     
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  3. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Did you have an argument to back up that claim?
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Glad to see that the GAO reached the same conclusion that every other rational person reached regarding Trump's decision to freeze military aid without notifying Congress because he was secretly trying to obtain campaign assistance from a foreign government in the form of an announced investigation against his domestic political rival.
     
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    Sounds like grasping for straws to me. Good luck with that, see you in November. The MSM meltdown will be historic.
     
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  6. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    You can bet this report will be included in the Senate trial, since it's directly on point to Article 1.

    Still cannot find the actual report... Whasss up, Internet??
     
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    We already know Trump supporters don't care what he does. You guys never hesitate to point this out. We know.
     
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  8. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    A government agency confirms the Trump administration BROKE A LAW... I thought that's the sort of evidence that gets you guys all excited... Laws broken... actual statutes instead of D's just hurt because Trump beat "our gal"

    My bad... back to the great PEN debate for you....
     
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    The last four presidents have been slapped by the GAO for violating this law you know.

    Hell, Trump violated it when he allowed some national parks to stay open during the shutdown.

    This is the same law Obama violated by withholding funds.

    This is nothing.
     
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    Some might find giving foreign aid in general is unconstitutional.
     
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  11. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I didn't know that... please provide a link...

    My gut feeling is you are wrong, but I'll wait for your response.
     
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    It directly addresses the "you don't even have a law violation" criticism that Republicans have lobbied against the Impeachment Articles.
     
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    Those people would be objectively wrong.
     
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    On the basis that the constitution explicitly doesn't say. It would fall in line IMO with the 10th Amendment though(which specifically is stated that any rights not enumerated by the Constitution is enjoyed by the States, or the People.) The framers wanted the States/Citizens to exercise growing rights, not the government.

    That's a very basic Libertarian argument, and it's one that I happen to agree with. Because government "rights" often happen to be the right of force or compelling.

    And as this regards to foreign aid, especially so. We citizens should have first-right-of-veto to decide whether or not foreign funds should be delivered to anybody. This is the whole crux of the Nationalist revolution to begin with.

    Ukraine will prosper or fall on its own, we're not the United States of Ukraine, or China, or insert country here.

    We're the US OF A.
     
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    Well, after Trump is acquitted in a few weeks, Nancy can impeach him again.
     
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  17. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who cares?

    You don't like the republicans anyways.

    You can play little "I Gotcha" games but honestly, it's irrelevant to anything.
     
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    The story shows no conclusion reached.
     
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    Again, it is directly relevant to the Articles of Impeachment that were just sent to the Senate.
     
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    Conclusion: Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Everything I posted was ripped from that story but ok.
     
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    Would you believe anything from Judicial Watch?
     
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    "Several administrations have been slapped by the GAO, including that of George Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush." is the relevant passage. Nothing about Obama's administration. The point that this law appears to be frivolous(and that GAO's only recourse is to fine the administration), is what makes it sort of laughable.
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Really? Please to point out where it even mentions Obama (for example)? His name is only mentioned once and that's just a reference to somebody who worked for him.

    Ouch...
     
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