Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

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  1. clennan

    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blocked what? Aid?

    If so, there was no wrong doing.

    (a) Aid to Ukraine was contingent on anti-corruption efforts, per US policy.
    (b) Aid to Ukraine was not blocked.
    (c) Biden threatened to withhold it, per US policy, because anti-corruption efforts were lacking - see (a).

    And Biden was just ONE international figure calling for Shokin to be fired. The EU, EDRB, IMF and all other aid providers were also pushing for his removal, at the exact same time, for the exact same reasons.

    This might all be news to you, but it was well known and covered in the press at the time.
     
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    People who've read and understand the Mueller Report know it to be true.

    Read it.
     
  3. Nemesis

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    --and the Obama Administration had a policy reason and advised Congress about it.

    Bonespurs had no policy reason and did not advise Congress. In fact, they tried to hide it.
     
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    Wrathful_Buddha Well-Known Member

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    Lefties have been so subverted by ideology that they have no idea what truth and facts are any more.
     
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    1. Trump cares nothing whatsoever about Ukrainian corruption, & never did. He NEVER mentioned corruption in any of his correspondence with his cohorts while trying to bribe the Ukraine President into doing his personal, political misdeeds. Trump wasn't trying to quell corruption. Trump WAS THE CORRUPTION.
    2. Pelosi sent over an impeachment based squarely on convincing evidence of wrongdoing by Trump & his minions. Neither Trump or his attorneys have been able to counter that evidence. Instead, they've spent their time & energy trying to demean it or undercut popular trust in it. Your post fits in with that Republican effort.
    3. The Constitution gives the House the right to CHARGE the President, & gives the Senate the power to TRY the President. Republicans are claiming the House failed in its responsibility by not doing what the Constitution reserves for the Senate. There is SO MUCH about the Republican claims that are false or based on lies, I am astounded & mortified by their deceit. I have lost so much of my former respect for Republicans in general, I am shocked. At this point, I believe any Republican who ignores or belittles the evidence being presented by Democrats in the impeachment trial, & claims there's no basis for the charges rendered, should never be re-elected to government office again, for they are consciously choosing to disregard their own oaths to uphold the Constitution along with their second oaths to act as impartial jurors in the impeachment trial. They will have failed to live up to either oath, & would--in my mind--therefore relinquish their right to further leadership.
    4. While it is true that Trump beat Hillary under the Electoral College, it is equally true that Hillary beat Trump in the popular vote. If you think we Democrats are unhappy about Trump being in the Oval Office due to the Electoral College, you're absolutely right. But Democrats honor the law, even when we disagree with it. Trump & Trump supporters don't. Trump broke the law by asking three different countries to become involved in our American domestic elections, to help him. Trump supporters ignore that illegality & pretend it's OK. But the founding fathers considered foreign involvement in our domestic elections, an impeachable offense--& stated so in the Constitution itself. So, in my mind, those who support Trump here, are standing against the Constitution.
     
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    False and you don't get to define what he thought. The corruption was with Hunter Biden and Burisma.

    Pelosi sent over an impeachment based on vague amorous terms with no evidence to support it and nowbthey want another inquiry in the Senate. It was Trump who released the evidence. They don't dispute the phone call it's part of their defense.

    3. The Constitution gives the House the right to CHARGE the President, & gives the Senate the power to TRY the President. Republicans are claiming the House failed in its responsibility by not doing what the Constitution reserves for the Senate. [/quote]
    The Constitution gives the House the power to impeach and the Senate to remove or not remove based on the impeachment. The rest or your rant not worthy a response.

    There is no "the" popular vote. There were 51 separate WMD unique popular vote and tallying all those separate and unique votes and declaring it the same a one single national popular note is folly the Democrats have engaged in because they just can't stand Trump won.

    Believe I know you are upset that the duly elected President was jot your canadiate and have Ben dishonoring the law, the Constitution and the country ever since.

    How and quote him doing so.

    We acknowledge the Presidents planary power in foreign policy. We acknowledge a blatant probable cause of corruption. We acknowledge a phony and bogus attempt to remove a sitting president over policy matters. We acknowledge that one's father running for political office does not grant immunity from investigation.
     
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    You have zero idea what's n the Mueller Report. I do. That's not "ideology"; what is ideology is not reading something, not knowing what's in it, and yet reacting to what you didn't read and know nothing about with a canned and uninformed response.
     
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    The Constitution gives the House the power to impeach and the Senate to remove or not remove based on the impeachment. The rest or your rant not worthy a response.



    There is no "the" popular vote. There were 51 separate WMD unique popular vote and tallying all those separate and unique votes and declaring it the same a one single national popular note is folly the Democrats have engaged in because they just can't stand Trump won.


    Believe I know you are upset that the duly elected President was jot your canadiate and have Ben dishonoring the law, the Constitution and the country ever since.


    How and quote him doing so.


    We acknowledge the Presidents planary power in foreign policy. We acknowledge a blatant probable cause of corruption. We acknowledge a phony and bogus attempt to remove a sitting president over policy matters. We acknowledge that one's father running for political office does not grant immunity from investigation.[/QUOTE]
    First, your whole post was one long POLITICAL RANT. You will probably get to enjoy another year of Trump as your President, but you will suffer the loss of your personal freedoms from his abuses of power just as I or any other American will.
     
  9. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you saying a specific crime was committed but not entered in the articles? What sort of clown show is your party running? Or is this yet another fabrication and implication of something else entirely?
     
  10. Oh Yeah

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    Didn't say a secret vote was. Did say Democrats are Unconstitutional, not all, but many. I still want openness on how my elected officials are voting.
    Guess they must have been wrong this time.
     
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    I would be willing to bet that "illegal aliens" voting in the last election did more harm to the process than interference from Russia or Ukraine or any other country.
     

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