Guess whose fault it is that Russia invaded Crimea. Hint: not Putin's

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  1. vman12

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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you are down to pathetic whimpering denials of the RUSSIAN MILITARY ATTACK on America, its people and its institutions.

    Wow, what a patriot. The only question is which country actually holds your allegiance.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump did a lot more? Do tell? I noticed he dragged his feet on the CONGRESSIONAL sanctions imposed. But I guess he gets credit for that because he was forced to implement them. Yes FORCED to implement them.

    What else has he done? He won't even acknowledge as CinC that America was actually attacked by a hostile foreign military.
     
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    The real question is what did the Canadians do? Clearly they think they have vested stake in all that goes on here in the U.S. one would think they would be setting up retaliatory sanction of their own against Russia :)

    Oh that's right Canadians contribution to the U.S. enemies
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see clown school is still in session. Canada has a trade deficit with the US. Oh my, what are you doing with all that money you are sucking out of Canada? Kidnapping children?

    Don't know where you got your comparative crime stats cause of course you neglected the link but here is a direct comparison

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

    Seems you guys are using our $12 billion or so to buy more drugs and guns to commit way more crimes.

     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Hell, if we were worried about Russian propaganda we would also be worries about Canadian trolls two! But most intelligent Americans no either country is of much concern in the real sense of reality..

    Now to the left, sure!
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LoL @ forced.

    Congress can't force the POTUS to implement sanctions. Go read something.
     
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    "Don't know where you got your comparative crime stats cause of course you neglected the link but here is a direct comparison"
    Of course not, to much honesty per 100K for troll use;)
     
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    Canadians touting U.S. law :) And the leftist think Russia is a problem. At least they do their homework LOLOL
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They know so much about what is not true.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah. Only thing Trump didn't do was throw Putin a "Thank You" Party. But I'm pretty sure it's in the works
     
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    Not with Advantage II Flea and tick topical solutions.
     
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    Solution and preventative are far different, maybe next time slick ;)
     
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    I have never denied it :) In fact I have always stated the U.S. is hypocritical on the very issue of interference in foreign politics! This whole bucket of horseshit is just butthurt Leftist and apparently "Canadians" looking for some reason other then themselves for running someone as stupid as Hillyjag and losing :)

    Seeding dissension in Governments and as you are doing among political groups is century's old! What was once a Leaflet is just digital troll today, although new and improved either has any more worth to the intelligent as they did back in the day ;)

    The thing the leftist avoid is propaganda campaigns like this are common and have been since the man has elected to be governed.
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    Obama gave them a bunch when they crossed the red lines and invaded Ukraine.
     
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    The "red-line" story was about Syria. Hopefully you do know the difference between Ukraine and Syria, right?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know that Russia went into Syria when Barry was POTUS.
     
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    I think he hesitated to put sanctions on Russia because he needs Russia's help to keep sanctions on N. Korea. It put him in a bad spot to do to them the same thing we want them to do with N.Korea. Yes, Trump was much harder on Russia than Obama. No question about that.
     
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    You do know the President of Ukraine came to Obama asking for weapons to protect Ukraine from the same fate as Crimea and Obama gave him uniforms, blankets and night vision glasses, but no weapons. Trump did give Ukraine weapons.
     
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    The Russians have been in Syria since the late 1960's.

    Try leaning something before you make this nonsense up.
     
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    No he doesn't need Russia help on the NK front. He needs China.

    Trump has not been harder on russia. He has kissed putin's arse since before the election. He reluctantly implemented congressional sanctions. He has done squat to defend america from continued attack, other than asking his pal to cut it out.

    The only question is what does Putin have on Trump? Or is it just penis envy on Donny's part?
     
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    He didn't have to call anyone. He disarmed Ukraine in 2005 under the promise that the US would protect them. As President, he had the power do just that and reneged:

    Flashback: Senator Obama pushed bill that helped destroy more than 15,000 TONS of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine
    • Obama traveled to Ukraine with Sen. Dick Lugar in 2005 just seven months after he became a senator, touring surplus weapons stockpiles
    • Most of the small arms and ammunition were left over when Soviets withdrew from Eastern bloc nations, and later dumped in Ukraine
    • The two senators secured U.S. funding to help destroy the weapons instead of leaving them intact
    • Ukraine exported more than 700,000 small arms in 2004-2007, including 101,000 each to Libya and the UK, and 260,000 to the U.S.
    • But most of the ammunition stockpiles – crucial for keeping a standing army battle-ready – were destroyed
    • Ukraine is in a staring match with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has designs on recapturing portions of the former Soviet nation
    By DAVID MARTOSKO, U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR

    PUBLISHED: 01:58 EDT, 5 March 2014 | UPDATED: 02:06 EDT, 5 March 2014

    As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea.

    In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site.

    The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds.

    After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.

    Photographs from the trip show Obama inspecting a plant where Soviet-era artillery shells and shoulder-fired missiles were collecting dust, leftovers dumped in Ukraine after the USSR withdrew from Eastern bloc nations after the once-mighty communist nation fell apart.

    The United Nations had already identified some 7 million small arms and light weapons, and 2 million tons of conventional ammunition, warehoused in more than 80 weapons depots spread across the country.

    Many of the artillery shells shown in photographs from Donetsk, multiple weapons experts told MailOnline, would be the same types of ammunition required to repel advancing Russian divisions as they advanced to the west, had they not been destroyed.

    Two experts said the ammunition, particularly small-arms rounds, would have been useful to train Ukraine's armed forces and million-strong reserves.

    'Vast stocks of conventional munitions and military supplies have accumulated in Ukraine,' Obama said in am August 30, 2005 statement from Donetsk. 'Some of this stockpile dates from World War I and II, yet most dates from Cold War buildup and the stocks left behind by Soviet withdrawals from East Germany, the Czech Republic, Hungry and Poland.'

    'We need to eliminate these stockpiles for the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world.'

    More than a year later, President George W. Bush signed into law a proposal authored by Obama and Lugar.

    Obama said then that the existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program 'has effectively disposed of thousands of weapons of mass destruction, but we must do far more to keep deadly conventional weapons like anti-aircraft missiles out of the hands of terrorists.'

    Much of the Ukrainian small-arms supply was ultimately exported, not scrapped, by a Yushchenko regime that chose revenue from arms dealing over the cost of melting down metal.

    In 2008 the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute reported that between 2004 and 2007, the Ukrainian Export Control Service told the UN that it sent 721,777 small arms and light weapons to 27 different countries.

    The United States was the top recipient, with more than 260,000 of those weapons, followed by the UK and Libya, which each imported more than 101,000.

    That flood of weapons exports has continued, with annual export records showing hundreds of thousands of new exports each year, covering everything from pistols and carbine rifles to heavy machine guns and anti-tank weapons.

    But while today's 130,000-strong standing Ukrainian military isn't short on AK-47s, Russian troops have met little to no large-scale resistance from armored divisions or heavy artillery as they steamrolled their way into Crimea.

    Some of that was Ukraine's own doing – it sold 320 tanks to Pakistan in the 1990s, for instance – but Obama and Lugar accelerated the pace of the country's arms liquidation.

    While the Ukrainian army seems to have been careful to avoid provoking an even larger conflict, it's impossible to know whether Putin would have behaved differently in the face of columns of heavy weapons that once belonged to the Soviet Union in whose KGB he held a high-ranking position.

    Sky News video broadcast on Tuesday showed Russian troops firing automatic weapons over the heads of apparently unarmed Ukrainian Air Force personnel near a contested airfield in Crimea.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rms-1-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-Ukraine.html
     
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    Once again, Trump was on the money. Here's your man inspecting the handiwork that led to Putin's annexation of Crimea.


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    Yes, he does need China's, he also needs Russia's help too. He has a fine line to walk with both of them to both ask for their help and try holding them in check. in Syria and S. China Sea.

    Yes he has been harder on Russia than Obama. Obama hasn't done squat.

    Did he lick Putin's boots when he went ahead and provided Poland missiles after Obama backed out from it after Russia warned Obama it could cause a war?

    Did he lick Putin's boots when he supplied Ukraine with weapons to defend the country against Russian back Ukrainian rebels trying to take Ukraine over, after Obama refused to?

    Did he lick the Russian boots when he gave the ok to attack and kill over 100 Russian mercenaries that were about to attack the American base in Syria?

    What is he suppose to do to keep the Russians from attacking our elections that isn't being done already? Don't think for a minute we do the same thing in other countries that Russia does.
     
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    No... When Russia went into Syria Richard Nixon was POTUS

    I would lay off the hard stuff for a while, if I were you.
     
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