Guess whose fault it is that Russia invaded Crimea. Hint: not Putin's

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's funny!
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Saresto Flea Collar by Bayer, My vet recommended it and there's not been ONE insect on my animal in the 3 years since. Pricey as hell but well worth it.

    Also keep them indoors, unless they're large dogs pets are too adventurous for their own good.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that it's funny.

    It's funny because all of the Russian abuses happened on Obama's watch.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He invaded because he knew Obama would do nothing.

    Why did Obama refuse to allow weapon shipments to Ukraine?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I repeat what I said before; Trump is what Bill Maher calls him, a whiny, little, bitch

    Read IF by Rudyard Kipling one time. It makes me sick to what extent the Republican's have fallen to that any one of them would call this sad specimen of offal a "real man"
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's Putin's fault that Obama cleared the way for him to act on his expansionist dream. It's Xi Jinping's fault that Obama let him get away with militarizing the South China Sea. It's the Mullah's fault that Obama helped them turn hostage taking into a lucrative business, legitimized their path to nuclear Jihad, sent over a pallet of money to fund their global terror campaign and accepted that sponsor of terror into the lucrative civilized world. After all, Obama was a bystander ,,, found out everything about his policies the same time we did ,,, on TV.

    If we couldn't afford to stop these attacks on the world order when they were occurring, we're certainly not going to be able to afford them when our adversaries have achieved their goals.
     
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    We didn't know how deep Russian involvement was before the election. But we did know there was involvement and Obama did nothing to stop it.

    He did nothing to be called treason. Not even come close. If he had the Left would have jumped on it.
     
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    Maybe you can source this? Was it Whitebart?

    Crime in Canada
    Canada’s overall crime rate is 1.73 times greater than the United States. For violent crimes, police reported violent crimes in the United States amounted to 386.3 per 100,000 population, while police reported violent crimes in Canada amounted to 1,153.0 per 100,000 population.
     
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    My guess is that this statement is attacking Obama's weakness in foreign affairs. He probably believes that Putin wouldn't have done it had he been president. My what you like of it.
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to remember who was President in 2005. Can you help me?
     
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    That he is, most backers wouldn't argue that. But we don't take to heart much of what he says. We go by what he does. Obama was a great speaker. He told us and the world everything we wanted to hear. But what he did showed us the real Obama, someone most on the Left refuse to admit. He started off going around the world telling people how bad we were and apologizing for it. He made a mess out of the Middle East. He micro managed the war against ISIS over the advise of his generals and that allowed ISIS to grow well over 1,000%, allowed them to murder thousands and grow into one of the worst terror groups this world has ever seen. All that did, along with his effort to take out Assad of Syria was cause thousands of deaths, thousands more to become homeless and have millions flee to Europe, which will never be the same again. He attack Libya at a time we never had better relations with Qaddafi, help the resistance kill him and take out the government and Obama just walked away and let the country fall to ISIS and terrorist who then attacked our Embassy, killing our Ambassador and three other Americans. He/Hillary should have pulled them out knowing the condition of the country. Almost all the other nations did.

    His domestic policies helped bring about BLM, by his prejudging cops on Blacks and White on Black crime. I'm have no doubt that led to the death of more than a hand full of law enforcement officers and attacks on Whites.

    His policies created about 11 million jobs and almost all of them were service type and part time jobs. Many that wouldn't support a living wage much less a family. Millions of kids continued to live with family because they couldn't afford an apartment.

    He started up DACA, even though he knew it was against the law. But now that we have it, can't get rid of it.

    He started off being a President that protected our border and deported record amounts of illegals. But then in his last year and a half to two years, reversed course and threw the doors to our borders open with his policies. Ordered law enforcement not to arrest or enforce illegals found in the interior. That only brought on another rush to our border.

    Yes, you might not like what Trump says, but he is working over time trying to right the mess your smooth talking previous President did. Obama sure made a mess of everything he touched. But he sounded good didn't he?
     
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    Irrelevant. Like Clinton before him, Bush with laws passed by Congress attempted to prevent the proliferation of conventional weapons based on security guarantees. When it was time to collect on those guarantees, Obama, who was not a stranger to the guarantees he made, reneged.

    Obama-Lugar measure included weapons of mass destruction
    By Angie Drobnic Holan on Tuesday, July 15th, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.
    In a new television ad, Sen. Barack Obama makes the case for America leading international efforts to control nuclear weapons.

    "The single most important national security threat that we face is nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists," Obama says in the ad. "What I did was reach out to Sen. Dick Lugar, a Republican, to help lock down loose nuclear weapons. We have to lead the entire world to reduce that threat. We can restore America's leadership in the world."

    We checked into Obama's legislative record with Sen. Lugar, a Republican from Indiana.

    Obama's first foreign travel as a U.S. senator was with Lugar in August 2005, when the two men visited nuclear weapons storage and dismantlement facilities in Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

    The following spring, Lugar and Obama authored a Senate bill that authorized the president to carry out a program to provide assistance to foreign countries to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. The bill does not specifically list different types of weapons of mass destruction, but we'll take as a given that it includes nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

    The larger part of the legislation was a separate measure to stop the spread of conventional weapons, notably shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles that the legislation refers to as man-portable air defense systems, or MANPADS.

    The bill's provisions were incorporated into a House bill that passed later that year and was signed into law in January 2007.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lugar-measure-included-weapons-of-mass-destr/
     
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    We know Trump doesn't have them fully commented because Adm. Rodgers told us so.


    NSA Director Adm. Mike Rogers stated under oath that he has not received the authority from Trump for US Cyber Command to battle Russian and other foreign attacks on their own home field.
     

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    Its contains a link :wtf: You new to all this or one of those folks that voted for Hillary with a text message :roll:
     
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    LOL Bill Maher would know he has been one all his life :)
     
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    Don't see your quote in your link and your quote doesn't match credible sources. So please point it out so it can be refuted.
     
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    And they got a pass for them on Trump's
     
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    Yeah.

    Trump bombs Russian base in Syria.

    Trump eradicates Russian mercenary unit.

    Trump sends weapons to Ukraine.

    Now that we have a real POTUS things are changing.

    Cut him some slack. Obama was so bad at this there's a lot to fix.
     
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    That has to be one of the most oversimplistic statements I have ever heard about international policy. He invaded because that's his policy. He wants to rebuild the old Soviet Union. And he managed to put Trump in the presidency so he had a useful idiot as an ally.

    He didn't. Trump's own Justice Department said it..
     
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    Thank you! You gotta let your President Trump know that, because he says it wasn't.
     
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    It is simple.

    Putin knew Obama was a weakling and he took advantage of it. He was right, of course.

    Obama not only did nothing after the invasion, he refused to send weapons for years after.

    Baloney.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-pressed-on-many-fronts-to-arm-ukraine-115999
     
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    Yeah, but I've been told that Trump lies all the time. Proof positive it was Putin's fault.
     
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    Yeah... By highlighting his own.
     
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    The same "real man" who's campaign fought for a pro-Russian stance on this very same issue on the GOP platform? Hilarious.
     

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