Gun control in the UK

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by aldal, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

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    Which translates into a ratio of 1:8. Then you have to realize that White means anyone not Hispanic or Black which includes Asian, Middle Easterners and American Indians.
     
  2. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    After a couple centuries of subtle brain washing, it's no wonder.

    Here's a bit of the history of gun control in the U.K. It's also a good read foe those that maintain the 2A protects our civil liberties and why I consider advocated positions a litmus test when voting. This should be read by those that see the creep of gun controls as a slippery slope that has ramifications on the rights we see guaranteed by our Bill of Rights. The article could be an OP for its own thread. By the way...see if you don't recognize the map of the Dems to ultimately ban guns and to restrict our civil liberties.

    I know those of you advocating increased gun controls will likely not read the article by disclaiming the web source, but it virtually destroys most of the arguments I have seen posted here and is one reason we should oppose most gun guntrols, specifically any sort of registration. For those advocating we do as did the U.K.... I say stuff it... I will be in the front line of the resistance.

    http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html
     
  3. 6Gunner

    6Gunner Well-Known Member

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    Actually, in the early days of the 20th Century the UK had essentially no firearms regulation. In 1911 New York enacted the Sullivan Act, making the U.S. first in enacting gun control. At the time the UK's per capita homicide rate was lower than it is today... and the United States was higher.
     
  4. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    See history of UK's gun control. You're correct the U K had lower gun violence rates prior to their enacting restrictions...
    http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html
     
  5. see you next tuesday

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    I thought you were kidding about the knife but you weren't! Do you live in a really dangerous place then?

    Your life sounds similar to an Xbox game!

    I've never felt the need to carry a weapon of any kind to feel protected whether in the UK or anywhere else in the world.

    Glad being armed makes you feel safe mate, hope you never have the need to use any of the weapons you carry.
     
  6. see you next tuesday

    see you next tuesday Active Member

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    There's less terrorism than there used to be - While we might be killing more of each other than we used to, at least we're not being killed by terrorists as much.
     
  7. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm you folks armed a lot of terrorists; still do. But, times are changing, you are on the brink, opposition is arriving on the Isle in droves and you all have little defense but sheep in the pubs.
     
  8. yiostheoy

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    The only place I have ever gone where I felt I actually needed the jack knife dagger was the old city of Jerusalem.

    I was alone walking around taking pictures, obviously a tourist, and 3 tall 20-something males started following me.

    When I crossed the street they crossed the street.

    When I immediately crossed it back they crossed it back.

    So I quietly drew out my jack knife dagger and opened it and gripped it like an ice pick and kept it very close to my right side so it was not obvious but if you looked closely you could see it.

    Then I turned around and walked directly at them.

    As I got closer the two on the outside looked at the one in the middle.

    The one in the middle looked at me and I looked at him and we locked our gazes.

    I walked passed them on their right (my right also) and as I did I kept looking at them and I made a basketball move and turned while walking and walked backwards keeping them in view as I kept walking away.

    The one on the outside turned his head and kept watching me and I fixed my gaze on him.

    He said something to the one in the middle and they kept going and did not follow me anymore.
     
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  9. yiostheoy

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    If you get rid of guns you will create a knife culture.

    There will be no change in crime.

    There will be less gun crime, maybe, but more knife crime to make up for the slack.
     
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  10. see you next tuesday

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    Knife crime in the UK is on the increase - Apparently the numbers are as high as 2011.

    Our drinking culture makes guns a baaaaad idea - It would be a slaughter every weekend ;0)

    Do you think Americans are bigger targets for people that say British people? or do you think ts just paranoia?
     
  11. 6Gunner

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    I'll be cautious in how I phrase my response here, because I don't want to come across as patronizing or caustic; but I've worked with and trained with law enforcement officers from all over the world (including British LEO's), and inevitably we have discussed the realities of criminal violence in our respective jurisdictions and shared our exasperation with just how... misguided... most private citizens are regarding the realities of crime. A lot of people state they "never felt the need" to worry about their own protection or security, and sure, the odds that you'll ever be accosted - even in the most crime-ridden societies - are relatively low. BUT... even the safest societies still have crime. Even the safest societies still have innocent people who get brutalized and murdered by criminals... and a lot of the victims of violent crime would NOT have been victimized if only they had taken even the most rudimentary steps to protect themselves. I roll my eyes in exasperation every time I see someone walking down the street with their head down, texting madly on their smartphones, utterly unaware of their surroundings - the definitive illustration of a prime target - just as I've felt exasperation at people who say "I've never felt the need to....".

    I have carried a firearm, personally and professionally, for over 25 years. I have used a firearm in my own defense as a private citizen (I don't count incidents from my LEO/security days), and was grateful to have had that tool at my disposal. Fortunately, the would-be assailant took one look at my drawn sidearm and realized that bringing a knife - even a big one - to a gunfight was not conducive to long term survival and he ran like a scalded dog; it was a win-win. Neither my companion or I was injured, and the criminal lived to rethink his nefarious ways as he laundered his knickers.

    Honestly, I think that society would be much safer if more people took their own security seriously.
     
  12. Xenamnes

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    Then ultimately the criminal element in the united kingdom remains present, and is now allowing the lack of firearms to inhibit their actions. If anything it may have made them even more dangerous, as knives are even easier to acquire without being noticed, and are quite silent when deployed.

    Then pray tell why does the united states host so few so-called slaughters, with most of them occurring in specific urban areas? Why are they not more widespread?

    Anyone is capable of being a target, especially if they refuse to exercise situational awareness, because they ignorantly believe that they have no need to do such.
     
  13. An Taibhse

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    I would agree people should take their own security more seriously. Many adopt the profile of a victim, of prey, no situational awareness, timidity, uncertainty, visible lack of self confidence, inability to make eye contact, and in general carry themselves as an easy mark. Often those with such a profile are victimized over and over. There are those that carry themselves with confidence and give the impression that regardless of size, they would not be an easy mark. Most Criminals are looking for easy scores, they don't want a confrontation, they want easily won intimidation, control and compliance. Training someone to lose their victim profile, one gained by a lifetime the lack of confidence is not easy, but it can be done... it does require training.
    I have a close friend like this. Walking down a street, if several 'scary fellows' approach he'd as soon cross the street where I will walk directly toward the biggest in the group. Not long ago, crossed the street in such a scenario and was followed and mugged.
    I carry a gun most of the time, a last resort tool, but I is how I carry myself that has avoided me from needing that last resort.
     
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    Not everyone is cut out to carry a gun.

    The British probably are not.

    Neither are the Germans or the French.

    The Swiss, the Israelis, and the Americans definitely are.

    That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
     
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    Right. The best way to lower crime is just let criminals do whatever they want.

    That won't encourage crime at all.
     
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    The best way to reduce crime is to have a competent police force. Standing in front of a car while it drives over you is not very smart.
     
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    Police and law enforcement are a reactionary force. They are a deterrent at best; an after-the-fact response force at worst. Police cannot be everywhere, and our own courts have ruled that the police have no obligation to protect individual citizens from crime. The responsibility for personal security lies with the individual citizen him (or her)self.

    Again, it's easy to say that standing in front of a car is "not very smart", and under many circumstances I'd agree with you. I also know that there are times when you don't choose to be where you have nowhere to go, but it does still happen.
     
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    Relying on the police isn't very smart.
     
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    So your Royal Navy Officer, a Lt deserved to die ?
    Words fail me.
     
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    How ignorant...police solve crimes, they prevent very few. Unless you have a cop on every corner cops cannot reduce crime....maybe you should personally pay to have more cops, eh?
     
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