Gun Control needs to be instituted

when I defended myself I wasn’t thinking about killing, I shot to stop the attack falling back to my training; things happened so quickly, and the accompanying adrenaline flood made any thoughts of something like kill vs wound impossible.

 

the lead detective who showed up about five minutes after I called the police came up to me and asked what happened and I told him. He said-why didn't you shoot the other mugger-the one who had you in a choke hold? I said after I hit the guy who punched me in the face that guy let me go and put his hands up so he was not a threat. He then said why didn't you shoot the other guy more times-you had 12 more rounds in your smith and wesson. And I said, after I hit him the first time he was no longer a threat. and the detective said, you did it by the book, just tell the DA that when he talks to you. I wasn't arrested nor charged by the police, the DA or the judge who conducted the preliminary hearing and I was totally cleared by the GJ that ruled the shooting was completely justified.

 

Interesting, at least to me. While the effects of adrenaline cannot be dismissed frozen and difficult to explain to someone who has never experienced it. An adrenaline flood can shut some people down, sometimes interfere with good judgement I have found three things I noted with me over time. First, I don’t seem to be rendered frozen, for me in the instant, time seems to slow and my mind assesses the situation, rank threats and rapidly race through possible solutions (nothing I can consciously invoke in normal life though I have tried to replicate how it works with the adrenaline without success; I don’t seem to have control)… this is hyper self survival kicking in. Growing up in Belfast in the 60’s and 70’s I had many occasions where I experienced adrenaline floods, which brings me to the second thing I have learned; the more time you have experienced an adrenaline flood, the more I have seemed to adapt, something I think others experience as well. How how often it happens depend on exposure to L & D situations, and certainly, some, like those serving in LE. The older vets are more likely react well in high stress situations (they have experienced many during the course of their work. The third thing, I found, is that having the ability to mitigate some of the effects of adrenaline transfers to other contextual situation, like driving, in my case with things like flying, and extreme skiing.
I when I was yet in secondary school, I worked steel after school and weekends. When about 12 at the steel yard we were cutting steel beams for a project. One fellow was cutting a beam with the oxygen and acetylene lines running under where he was burning and predictably when the Final Cut was made the cut end piece fell on the lines. Still red hot from the cut, it melted through the two lines in a fraction of a second and ignited the lines ( oxygen was coming out at high pressure feeding the acetylene flame and both began to burn up the lines acting almost like a fuse and it was heading toward the tank trolly. The older fellow in the ares saw the lines acting as a fuse, heading for the tanksAnd a possible explosion when the reached the tank trolly. Virtually all the older fellows ran for safety, yelling fo me to do the same. The situation, combined with the panic I saw induced a major adrenaline spike in me. But, I maintained my composure, assessed the situation, and calmly taking a few steps to a midpoint between the lit end of the lines and the trolly, I picked them up, and like you would do to stop a stream from a water hose, I folded them over an pinched off the ‘fuse’s’ fuel supply. Flame out and emergency solved. It was the first time I realized I can remain calm under pressure. The downside is I have a confidence that is likely to get me killed someday.
But, back to you Turtledude, you are one of the few here that I enjoy for your contribution, you been ‘there’(obvious from what you write), and generally exhibit knowledge and logic in your posts. You’re, relating the story above along with the assessment of the threats you faced resonated with me. Again when I was young growing up in Belfast participating in a gang, in a neutral neighborhood,was jumped by two from a rival gang, one having a gun.
The one fellow took a couple steps toward me shoved the gun in my stomach and pulled the trigger. Time slowed and I remember a knowing I was going to die and wondering what that would be like. Then click and nothing, . The fellow was surprised ‘stiff..literally and I ( can’t explain how…perhaps in a different time zone, somehow got control of the gun.Even at age I had considerable knowledge of guns from my Da, Grand Da and uncle. I recognized it as a Walter PPK (my uncle had one). Isomehow assessed fellow probably hadn’t put a round in the chamber and the click was the double action cocking and dropping the Hamelin on an empty chamber. I racked the slide, the fellow’s compadre ran the moment I got control of the gun, while I had my attacker dead to rights, but smacked him with the gun and told him to run. When asked later why I didn’t shoot him, I said I had the gun, he was disarmed an no longer a threat. Looking back, I somehow had developed a set of ethics some sense of ethics that have become part of me. To have shoot him would have been an act of murder, not some rationalization of revenge. I believe the only justification for using deadly force is to stop an immediate active threat to life and limb (period). Though I do confess I am not sure what I would do if I encountered a child being raped; probably end up doing time, an unfortunate thing, but….
My member name is a Gaelic nickname that came from that incident. All my gang members started calling me AnTaibhse, which. Translates to The Ghost, a name given me by our commander, because, they joked, I was killed and back as a ghost. The name has stuck the 50+years sense; back home in Ireland am generally known by that name, even by my relatives.
When I saw you comment about your threat assessment, it reinforced my feelings and respect of you. As we would say back home, Maith thú.
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That is incorrect. Statistics are very clear on the fact that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

 

When you are reduced to resorting to argumentum ad hominem fallacies, that is a sign that maybe you should try to adopt different viewpoint -- one that can be defended with facts and logic.

That is incorrect. Falsehoods are things that are not true.

Not a twitter page. Not that it matters.

What matters is that the site backs up their claims with verifiable facts.

The article itself is a study.

What Wikipedia does is provide data that the article bases its claims on.

I am not sure which statement of yours you are claiming is proved.

Any claim that more guns means more homicides though is decisively disproved.

So what? It doesn't change the fact that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

That is incorrect. Surveys of gun ownership rates are facts and are not opinions.

And they only offered that survey as a backup source for people who did not want to use Wikipedia.

I understand that facts are inconvenient for this policy position that you are pushing. But no. Facts are not BS.

I always know what I am saying and doing.

They source all of their facts. Just because the facts undermine your position doesn't mean that they aren't true.

What is important is that I correct untrue statements. It doesn't matter if anyone replies to me.

Mr. Biden hates our freedom, and he lies all the time in his efforts to abolish that freedom.

Yes it is.

There is no risk. But freedom would be well worth the cost if there actually were such a risk.

Justified self defense is neither vigilantism nor illegal.

It never fails that people who oppose civil liberties will always invoke some variation of "common sense".

That was hardly their motivation. But way off topic.

 

I just want to thank you all for the effort you've put into this discussion. There's a lot of really interesting facts and references you have listed. The time and research this thread demonstrates is impressive. I'm glad, though, that I live where I live in all of this. We spend very little time or effort on this subject since we let the Constitution decide. We have "Constitutional Carry" here meaning that any legal gun owner can carry open or concealed, unencumbered with any requirements for registration, permits, magazine capacity, training, waiting periods, etc. Using the left wing model of "Sanctuary Cities/State for immigration laws, we have declared our state a "sanctuary" for the 2d Amendment.

So we don't have to spend all the time, effort, and other resources jack-jawing (cussin' and dis'cussin').

TEXAS!!! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!!!

 

I note you dodged answering each question. Interesting, no?

False, I voted my conscience and I don't have to make gap arguments to say so.

False, as Kavanaugh filed a concurrence indicating he's a ***** which Roberts joined. How's that math workout o wise and learned one?

Super cool dude, we've both got credentials, you're not the only subject matter expert here.
Its a per se use of deadly force, if you didn't think you had the right to kill them you shouldn't shoot. You're trying to church it up because you for some reason lack the courage of your convictions and won't just tell a grabber: Yes they deserved to die, and I hope they burn in hell. Which is perfectly legal.

False, from her work on the AWB she'd have used the legislature because unlike Trump she didn't think she was a ****ing emperor. She's a total ****, granted, and a grabber, granted in spades, but if she'd had that brain wave she would've gotten billy to do all sorts of **** on his time. Unless you've got her proposing otherwise prior to Trump pulling it out of his *******?

How do you figure when she didn't have the senate votes to pass a pick they didn't want? She gonna shake her saggy nasty tits at Cocaine Mitch and da Boyz and get them to fall in line? Is that what you're saying?

 

Hillary, in power, would act as an emperor every chance she had.
Including moving forward he agenda on firearms.
Fortunate we dodged that bullet.

 

As stated: If that were the case, Bill would've done it as he was of the same mind on these issues.
No one thought they could do that until trump tossed it out there like a wet turd on the dinner table.

Besides: I'm not talking about casting a vote for Canks. That's just turtle's pathetic little strawman argument because he can't accept that Trump gave us more gun control and expanded the imperial style powers of the modern presidency beyond Obama's wildest dreams. It gives him cognitive dissonance to consider that, which causes him distress. Hence, he avoids and denies the issue and keeps himself in his shell ready to be turned into a nice soup.

 

Purists are amusing on chat boards. They are fairly worthless in getting anything accomplished in the real political world

 

what you constantly fail to understand is this

in the climate of the Vegas massacre and the feeding frenzy-answer this question

WHAT WOULD A PRESIDENT HILARY have done?

Next, How would have the BRUEN case been decided if the three justices on the Majority had not been seated but instead we had Justice Garland and two other hard core gun banners.

I know Trump wasn't perfect but I don't have my head up my ass pretending that voting for someone who has no chance of being elected is better than a flawed choice who was far better than the alternatives.

 

Or, perhaps more effective have everyone sign an Oath that the swear not to kill or harm others; that should work, eh?

 

Pretty good stuff

Of course, the gunners and 2A-clingers will have great difficulty handling the truth...

https://twitter.com/IAmPoliticsGirl/status/1642539855598227457

Like she said, if you care about the issue, destroy every single republican you can in voting booths.

 

I'm sorry you had to go through that experience.

I've never had to fire.

 

They aren't trying to do anything about violence they don't even call it violence they have to call it gun violence to make it fit their narrative.

And this isn't about helping people it's about authoritarianism.

Destroy every authoritarian in the voting booth I think that has better ring to it.

 

Are you claiming the the Republicans want to pass laws that leave all "assault weapons" in the hands of their owners?

 

That chick needs to lay off the caffeine.
And find out what an "automatic weapon" is.

 

There's no "truth" here, other than Democrats seek laws they know will do nothing to prevent school shootings, and are more than happy to use the blood of dead children to get them.

 

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/

• Only 12 percent of mass killings are mass public shootings. Most mass killings are “familicides” (murders of family members or intimate partners) and felony-related killings (robberies or gang-related “turf battles”).
• Per the Pew Research Center, gun murder and suicide rates in the U.S. are both lower today than in the 1970s. There were 4.6 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2017, far below the 6.2 recorded in 1976. And the rate of gun suicides – 6.9 per 100,000 people in 2017 – remains below the 7.7 per 100,000 measured in 1977.

facts that the anti gun movement doesn't want people to know.

 

more proof that the gun banner agenda is about politics-not crime control or public safety. Ever notice that almost every leftwing movement wants gun control. Abortion Rites advocates, socialists, gay rights, animal rights whackos, environmental extremists, etc

 

Me too, but it happened, I had some preparation. And am here to write of it.
You need to prepare your head, it isn’t just having a gun to defend yourself you have to commit to saving you or other’lives; If you carry a gun you have to be prepared for the possibility you will need to use it, but also be prepared,(hard to do) for the effects of adrenaline. Train, train

 

The only way I know to do that is to have a habit that is so ingrained that it's automatic.

 

Exactly. That's why Soldiers train and train... and when they finish... they train some more.

 

That would be my opinion, and it would include safely drawing ( and holstering) your weapon safely, Also not pointing your gun at anything except an identified threat as with adrenalineaccidental discharges can and have happened; once say a fell in appenixccarry, nearly blow his genitals away...luckily it was a leg wound.