Gun Grabbers Set Their Sights Beyond Bump Stocks

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  1. DoctorWho

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    It will not reduce either.
    It will increase illegal sales as you increase Black market demand as did Alcohol Prohibition.
    Crimes increased too.
     
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    Not with registration
     
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    When you keep advocating for Universal Background checks, you are putting the cart before the horse.
    Why don't you work on registration first before UBC's? UBC's are unenforceable without registration.
    If the government doesn't know I have a gun, they will never know that I sold it to someone without a BC. Or if he sold it to someone else. You need to be honest and just come out for a government database of gun owners instead of talking about UBC's.
     
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    the fear of going to prison or a $5,000 fine will prevent most illegal sales
     
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    Just possession that gun after the sale already has a much stiffer punishment.
     
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    OH! So thats what stopped major drug trafficking. Good to know.
     
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    I guess you didn't get the memo that other progressives have been claiming. Our government rarely prosecutes illegal gun sales.
     
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    Just like it stopped the illegal importation of Cocaine and Meth and other illegal drugs ?

    Oh wait !
    It didn't.....
    When did the mere threat of fines and prison time ever stop anything illegal ???

    It has never.

    Alcohol Prohibition did not, hence the reason why it, a Constitutional amendment, was repealed.
     
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    They can happen at the same time nut likely BC's will come first. Step by step...what's that sound....they are coming for you!!!!! LOL
     
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    That's the scuttlebutt.

    I heard about it yesterday. The libs are going after that flintlock musket that was made during the 1700's I have on my wall over the fireplace.

    Gets even better, the Democrats in California are telling me that I can't display the flintlock on the wall that I have to keep it in a gun safe.

    But the gun is 62" long and I don't have a gun safe that large.


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    Exactly what makes the life of an assailant more valuable than the life of the intended victim? Explain such. That is what the suggestion of non-lethal options amounts to.

    And yet criminal gangs, murderers, and rapists remain an everyday threat that must be dealt with.
     
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    Why does the threat of ten years in prison not deter prohibited individuals from acquiring firearms? There is not a single circumstance under which the acquisition or possession is illegal, and just the touching of the firearm amounts to evidence of possession. So why do those with felony convictions, and other disqualifying records, continue to acquire them in record numbers?
     
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    Cops all over the country use non lethal means to subdue suspects. Even ones with guns. Try to catch up
     
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    Law enforcement all over the country shoot and kill suspects who are in the act of surrendering, justifying their actions as them being afraid for their lives. Do try and keep up.
     
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    And they also use non lethal means such a bean bag guns. DUH
     
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    Does such change the fact that law enforcement regularly employs deadly force to kill a suspect, claiming that such was done because they were in fear of their lives?
     
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    Do they use non lethal means? DUH
     
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    Do they resort to lethal force if less-than-lethal options are not viable options in a particular situation or do not have the desired results?

    In the real world, it is a confirmed fact of life that non-lethal is a non-option.
     
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    Then why do they use non lethal in real life all the time? Duh.
     
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    Non-lethal options are indeed not used all the time, only in otherwise rare instances. In those few instances when non-lethal is ineffective, deadly force is resorted to immediately, and the suspect is killed because the law enforcement officer is in fear of their lives. Thus demonstrating the basic fact that non-lethal is a confirmed non-option.
     
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    pay attention...Prohibition was an expensive bloody failure because it created a profitable, deadly black market...the same is true with the 'war on drugs'...despite that , there are those who believe themselves geniuses capable of creating magic laws that will reduce crime and violence without dealing with the actual offenders...really?...why are we hearing about an uptick in gun shop burglaries? and news reports of home built guns?
     
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    Registration does not help when burglars can always steal firearms from;

    1. Gun stores.
    2. Firearms shipments.
    3. Military Armories.
    4. Fireams from factories.
    5. From Law Enforcement sources.
    6. Import them with other illegal stuff
    7. Manufacture them.
    8. Law abiding citizens

    5. California's lost Law Enforcement Agencies firearms for example, includes machine guns.
     
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    Registration is not prohibition
     
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    We don't need a perfect system.....just a better one
     
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    Registration has led to prohibition. The state of California has demonstrated such with magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. First they merely had to be registered to remain legal. Now even if they are registered, they are illegal to own and must be surrendered by those that own them.

    With no evidence that the proposed system is actually better than what is currently in place.
     

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