Gun Violence....what is the problem?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by RedDirtWalker, May 20, 2018.

  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I'm sitting here laughing because my father and I were on the phone talking about this very issue a few days ago. He said something along the lines of "if you take a baby white kid from the suburbs and drop him off in the middle of Nigeria then guess what he's going to be when he grows up? An African tribal white guy. You take an entitled little brat who had everything given to them then guess what they are going to be? An adult entitled little brat who thinks everything should be given to them". He used much more vulgarity than that mind you...lol

    But he is right and you are also correct. Children are products of their upbringing, period. If you raise a child believing that everything is owed to them then they become adults who believe everything is owed to them. We are seeing that every single day with these college aged kids crying because they can't make a living with their underwater upside down painting degrees. "But that's what I'm interested in". I don't give a damn, get a real degree like everybody else and stop whining because your hobby can't be your job because you don't want to actually work because "working sucks".

    We are enabling this behavior by providing comfortable lifestyles at the expense of the government. I can't even really blame people to be honest, working DOES suck. I have a pretty cool job but I don't particularly like having to go to it every day. Why would people work if they you know....didn't have to? When we provide people with free money then why the hell would they go to work? And like you said the parents of these kids teach them that lifestyle and they grow up like that as well. Don't worry about it, if you don't amount to anything in life the government will make sure you live alright. Won't be headed to Disney World every summer but you'll be fine. They even feed you.

    All of this reverts back to family values that are dying in America nowadays. It used to be you worked to provide for yourself and your family. Didn't matter the work, you had a family to feed. Coal mining? That sucks, brutal hard work, didn't matter, you had kids to feed. Farming? Factory work? Any of it. You took a job to provide for your family, that's what men do. Nowadays it's no biggie, just let the government take care of you, that's what they are there for...

    On another note. I have a buddy who drinks beer from a straw, that's "weird". People who identify as cats and eat dinner out of a bowl on the floor aren't "weird", they are ****ed up in the head lol
     
  2. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    While the logic appears to be sound, that mass coverage of mass killings simply makes them more acceptable, and more desirable to some, the rate appears questionable. Exactly what is being classified as a mass shooting, to allow the claim that there is one being carried out every twelve and one half days in the united states? What is the definition being used to determine which incidents are mass shootings and which are not?
     
  3. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Well, the thing is, since first person shooters became popular in the 1990s, the murder rate in this country has gone down. It's a little over half of what it was in 1993. I don't think that they do much to harm otherwise normal minds. I do agree that FPS games may be problematic and cause problems with kids who aren't otherwise normal. IIRC, the Columbine kids, the Sandy Hook shooter, and the Parkland shooter, all loved FPS games.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    You don't know Florida law about boating. The only requirement in terms of age is that they can't pilot a PWC (jet ski, etc.) until age 14. No one under 30 (born in 1988) can operate a boat of over 10 HP without taking an 8 hour Boater Safety course. My boys spent a lot of time in the water in kayaks in the Gulf and in bays. Nobody said a thing about it.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    I thought the criteria was more than 4 dead in a single shooting incident.
     
  6. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    That is the criteria set forth by the FBI, not the news medias and independent reporters who are trying to sell a political narrative at the expense of the truth.
     
  7. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Mother Jones uses it as well, and they are a liberal media outlet.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Is CNN an affiliate of Mother Jones?
     
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    Mother Jones recently changed it from 4 dead to 3 dead, not including the shooter, as the FBI had just changed their definition to the same. Australia uses five dead.
     
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    At least 3 people killed or at least 3 people injured or at least 3 people shot at. The shooting must happen in a public place and not be gang related and not be the byproduct of another crime.

    "Ultimately, our aim with this research is to reduce and prevent mass shooting crimes. If rampage shooters share a common profile and/or a common motivation, both those who actually succeed with their plans and those whose plans are thwarted, then we need to include all attempted shooting incidents and any number of fatalities or wounded victims in our profiling analysis. The only dataset that provides that comprehensive information is the Active Shooter dataset maintained by ALERRT in partnership with the FBI. We will refer exclusively to this dataset and recommend that other researchers do the same when discussing mass shooters of the rampage type."
    https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagion-effect.pdf

    http://www.activeshooterdata.org/active-shooter.html
     
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    I think most of the "problem" is that anti 2A folks view the killing of a rapist in the successful Defensive Gun Use by a woman to be contributing to the Gun Violence instances.
     
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    Thus the qualifying standard of what constitutes a mass killing continues to get lower and lower. Eventually it will be any two individuals who are shot in a single incident will meet the set minimum for an incident being classified as a mass shooting. Thus serving to cheapen the meaningfulness of the term, and ultimately render it irrelevant.
     

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