HAB Theory and getting Conservatives to take climate change seriously.

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Have major magnetic polar shifts really occurred?

  1. Yes... and growth of polar ice could be a primary reason.

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  2. Not in tens of thousands of years.

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  3. Yes... perhaps 171 times in the last five million years.

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  4. Yes... but the idea of this happening around 2030 is silly.

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  1. goober

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    I don't know what caused that climate shift, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a shift in the earths axis, which hasn't happened for hundreds of millions of years, or the flipping of the magnetic poles which hasn't happened for 800,000 years.
     
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    the tilt of the earths axis gives us our seasons and the polar regions are colder to begin with because they receive less direct sunlight and what does get there comes through more atmosphere...what that has to do with the magnetic poles is a mystery to me, if someone wants to explain how that would possible I'm willing to listen...
     
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    Yes!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolly_mammoth#Frozen_specimens
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    (Gershom Gale)http://www.habtheory.com/1/100.php

    I have heard of this in the past…….. what do you think of this?
     
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    It originates from a sci-fi novel written in 1976 written by a historical novelist there's no scientific backing for it.
     
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    Frankly……. some authors have had psychic experiences and seen things that they know the best way to put out there is to disguise what they saw as being merely science fiction.

    The Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow research coincides very well with some of what Dr. Chaim Henry TEjman writes about Time and Hypnosis as a possible tool to view other time periods????????!!!!!
     
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    first thing I do when I hear way out there claims is look at who is making them and their qualifications...

    Wambach is a psychologist, what that has to do with psychic ability is a mystery to me, I would've thought a neurologist, someone who somewhat understand how the brain mechanics works would be better equipped...how do you verify or disprove what someone claims to be true from a hypnosis session where they may or may not have been hypnotized?...

    Snow...a sociologist, again what in the world does that have to do with psychic ability...I looked into one of his claims about the psychic powers of the Mayan Crystall skulls and it's BS...the skulls are a huge fraud, my daughter is an archaeologist and knows all about them, they're ignored by the archaeological world because they're modern fakes, she's says the experts can spot the tool marks from modern equipment on them...but there are people who want to believe they're real, so it continues because there are books to be written and money to be made...those who want to believe ignore anything the legitimate archaeological community has to say...the archaeological community just shakes their collective heads and have a quiet chuckle among themselves...Chet Snow meanwhile collects royalties on a fraud...

    Snow and Wambach may even be sincere in their belief but the scientific world doesn't take them seriously...
     
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    7000 years is too soon for a major magnetic flip. Human Civilizations have been around for 10,000 years. The reliable number is about 780,000 (seven hundred thousand years), not 7k not 7 million years.

    But there was a minor but troublesome magnetic shift in the magnetic pole a few years ago: Magnetic North Pole Shifts, Forces Runway Closures at Florida Airport.

    Whoever it was who wanted a non-creationist source, here's an article that goes into detail: What Will Happen When the Earth’s Magnetic Field Switches.

    I don't know enough about the polar shift to know about temperature change. But there will be a change in magnetic north. A rather large shift. I'd hate to be one of the people who depends on the position of magnetic north for their work when the shift takes place.
     
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    … but....... would not a general warming trend increase the amount of water each year that evaporates..... goes into the atmosphere...… and as soon as clouds pass over Antarctica...… those clouds drop their moisture to remain there.......


     
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    There is nothing to take seriously.. I remember hype from years back claiming that it would be too late to make a difference by now anyway.

    Sensible folks don't let themselves be tricked by a cadre of powerful people yelling about some impending disaster and demanding a bunch of money and power to "prevent" it.
     
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    I don't know.

    But, I read a few days ago that the weather between the north and south poles has a spooky link between them: Spooky Atmospheric 'Teleconnections' Link North and South Poles.

     
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    I don't know what you're talking about. I saw an interesting article and I thought I'd share it.

    So, it's the butterfly effect, is it? I didn't know about at before.
     
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    What Is the Butterfly Effect?
    The butterfly effect is a term used in chaos theory to describe how small changes to a seemingly unrelated thing or condition (also known as an initial condition) can affect large, complex systems. The term comes from the suggestion that the flapping of a butterfly's wings in South America could affect the weather in Texas, meaning that the tiniest influence on one part of a system can have a huge effect on another part. Taken more broadly, the butterfly effect is a way of describing how, unless all factors can be accounted for, large systems like the weather remain impossible to predict with total accuracy because there are too many unknown variables to track.

    http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-butterfly-effect.htm
     
  15. DennisTate

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    I actually did send in a submission for the Virgin Earth Challenge!


    VIRGIN EARTH CHALLENGE

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    Anti-Armageddon Paradigm Shift Monetary Policy Theory The Introduction.
    VIRGIN EARTH CHALLENGE

    "Dr James Hansen, Director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies: “I think we have a very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change ... no longer than a decade, at the most. This is why I am supporting the Virgin Earth Challenge as a judge – we must explore all means, both known and unknown, to help alleviate this crisis."
    Dennis Tate
    March 15, 2007

    Sir Richard Branson
    Virgin Earth Challenge
    120 Campden Hill Road
    London W8 7AR
    United Kingdom

    Dear Mr. Branson:

    It is my firm belief that the number one technological device to reduce atmospheric greenhouse gases has already been invented. It is the tree.

    What is desperately needed at this time is not necessarily a new mechanical device but instead a paradigm shift in economic theory regarding monetary policy. We require a readily understandable explanation on how leaders in business and government can direct not only millions, but actually trillions of dollars of investment into combating global warming.

    One of the most effective practical methods that could be put into place in the least amount of time would be dozens of the largest possible desalinization plants all along the Mediterranean and Red Seas. Huge quantities of fresh water could be dripped onto the Sinai and Sahara deserts and voila, well chosen species of newly planted fast growing trees could soon change the color of these relatively desolate areas, significantly reduce atmospheric CO2, positively affect local weather patterns and at the same time significantly counterbalance the increases in worldwide ocean levels as the polar ice caps melt. This will buy us some extra time and thus expand the “very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change.”

    So who is going to finance the construction of all these massive installations not to mention the planting of all those seedling trees?

    I believe that it is possible for you to do this yourself Mr. Branson. You have already created a Virgin currency unit/coupon which has astonishing long term potential. My wife Maria Jose just returned from a two week trip to the British VIRGIN Islands. It is theoretically possible to link your Virgin coupon with the national currency of a small nation and you could soon be playing around in macro-economics. Considering the volume of business being done through your Virgin Group I would submit that you already are.

    Pope Benedict XVI may be in an even stronger position than you Mr. Branson to transform the world economy virtually overnight through the introduction of a new Vatican Currency Unit that could be linked with each and every national currency where the Vatican State is free to do business.

    I plan to elaborate in great detail on these two major alternatives in a later writing but I felt that you and your staff should now see the simple explanation that I wrote up for applying this theory within a micro-economy to greatly reduce unemployment. Although combating global warming would seem to be a conflicting goal to job creation, there need be no dissonance when we all have a better grasp of the big picture.

    I ran as an independent for the office of MLA in the most recent Nova Scotia provincial election.

    Dennis Tate primary campaign writing for June 13/06 election
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    I've heard that, at night, trees (and plants in general) actually emit rather than absorb CO2 :D I haven't looked into it, but I suppose that's how they stay alive when the sun's not shining..
     
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    Yes..... and Dr. Chaim Tejman feels that plants are the key to stabilization of the climate.


    Global Warming
    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/globalW2.htm

    Dr. Chaim H. Tejman:

     
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    Do we really need to plant more? I see trees all over the place.
     
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    Trees all over the place dont replace a forest....and the forests that matter most are tropical rain forests....
     
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    Why are tropical rain forests so important?
     
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    apparently they take in considerably more CO2 than northern forests...
     
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    True……. what do you think of the idea that all deserts are actually man made?


    http://spacecollective.org/collectivematt/5660/All-Deserts-are-ManMade

     
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    Here is another article on how man's activity is increasing desertification that is relevant to this topic. Increasing desert areas…… means higher levels of atmospheric H2O…. which…. eventually goes over Antarctica…. and drops on the ice mass to stay there…. often for 650,000 years or so!!!

    http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1069318.html
     

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