HAB Theory and getting Conservatives to worry about climate change!

OK.......... is a significant amount of melting plus cracking plus sliding occurring on the land based Greenland Ice Pack?

Is significant melting occurring on the ice on the Himalayas and most glaciers all over the world?

Once this ice melts...... will it not soon also evaporate..... and will not some of it end up floating over Antarctica.... will it not then fall on Antarctica and add to the weight on Antarctica?

Does this not result in a redistribution of weight from Greenland and the Himalayas and all northern glacier ice to Antarctica?

Doesn't it seem that climate change is playing some sort of role in the melting that is happening in the ARctic and Greenland and the Himalayas?

Yes...... under ordinary conditions... the ice would still build up on Antarctica but it would take longer for the build up to occur.... and the melting of the land based Greenland Ice Pack seems to be a special concern???!!! I am reminded of those balls that have a bit of extra weight on one side..... they wobble in the air when you throw them!!!

 

Its bullcrap.

 

It was freezing when the mammoth died. All the mammoth had to do was die, and it would freeze solid in a few hours. If it never unfroze it would never rot. Hence the preservation of the dead mammoth.

Its not some bs hypothesis about ice concentrations and weight.

The Earth spins too fast to have such a massive build up of ice sufficient to alter the spinning of the earth. It would take something like a massive tsunami causing earth quake like occurred in Indonesia, which actually altered the spinning of the earth, by a tiny amount.

a tiny amount

 

Lets melt those ice caps, and it wont happen. Everyone need to buy a giant SUV and take of the catalytic mufflers. Drive extra miles and melt those ice caps!!!!

 

That sounds like a better explanation than the flash flood idea!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolly_mammoth#Frozen_specimens

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One good thing about all that melting ice... is that it adds moisture to the atmosphere.... which could be useful for making this invention more effective:

http://www.wired.com/design/2014/03/warka-water-africa/

 

Well..... I watched "Chasing Ice" a week or so ago on Netflix. James Balog impressed me as being completely sincere in his quest to make us realize how much ice is melting and how fast it is happening!



http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...een-film-do-you-feel-james-balog-sincere.html
Chasing Ice... have you seen this film? Do you feel James Balog is sincere?

 

We should learn from Israel.... they are giving seniors hemp oil and thus seniors homes are much more productive and fun!

 

Kurmugeon…… what do you think about those rocks that indicate the magnetic poles move around?

http://www.habtheory.com/1/100.php
"Shifts of the Magnetic Pole
Another foundation stone in the support for the HAB Theory lies in the discovery in the relatively recent past of some rather odd rocks which, though magnetic, do not point to what is currently north and south." (Gershom Gale)

 

Something that is rather scary about CO2 that I learned only recently is that some of it changes into carbolic acid in our oceans?!

 

Dr. Albert Einstein's friend Immanuel Velikovsky asserted there had been 171 major polar shifts over a five million year period.

This data fits in with this at least somewhat:

- See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/news-exclus...shift-shaped-the-sahara/#sthash.ysHXWkdm.dpuf

 

They got trapped, that really is not a mystery.

 

There is enough to worry about with out worrying about lies.

 

Now where do you come up with this stuff? Either you are a fan of the history channel much like I or our thinking is mighty darn close. They use these polar magnetic shifts to date rocks and to determine the age of the crust in certain areas. Mankind think he is so smart, but old mother earth reigns. Between tilts of the earth which could bring monsoons to the Sahara and the polar shift, she has plenty of surprises up her sleeve.

I think mother earth is going to put man in his place.

 

I actually read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision

back in the '90's as I was researching the paranormal. It seemed to me that he had certainly done his research and there was no way that I could personally rule out his theories?!

 

True………. but Dr. Einstein did not think that his friend Immanuel Velikovsky was lying. His theories may be somewhat or significantly incorrect but…….. it seems like the rock that contains iron ore, seems to indicate more than a hundred polar shifts over time in the history of the earth.

I believe that we have the technological capability to turn deserts green on such a massive scale that we could actually lower ocean levels and get prepared for what may soon happen but….. at this time we need to get people motivated……

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But why were so many of them trapped at what seemed to be the same time?

Why did certain areas of the earth seem to shift from warm to cold so quickly?

 

I don't know if I read the book long, long ago or seen some on the theories put forth on a documentary. But the line below certainly applies.

Many of the book's claims are completely rejected by the established scientific community as they are not supported by any available evidence.

You will find when it comes to overturning accepted scientific theories on pretty much any subject, most of today's scientific community ignores or attacks new evidence which may prove the accepted theories wrong. An example is when man first set foot in the Americas. There have been evidence uncovered that predate by thousands of years the accepted time frame of 10-12,000 years ago. Schoch and West came up with a new theory on the Sphinx that due to water erosion that it was built around 7-8,000 years ago before long before the Pyramids.

Now we know the Sahara was a lush place around 5,000 years ago and rain fall then could have caused the water erosion. There are many, many other things like this that could put today's accepted theories on their end. I don't know if a lot of these new theories on many things are right, wrong, or just plain nuts. But when brought forth with proof, I can't understand why they are attacked with out the scientific community taking a good look at them.

 

Exactly!

At least the scientific community is beginning to become more open minded as people come forward who can give the type of explanations that make sense even to skeptics.

This is a separate subject but nonetheless is a good example of how some aspects of the paranormal can now be studied under near laboratory settings.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html
he Trigger of Extreme Gravity: Dr. James Winnery's NDE Research

 

I prefer the terms unexplained and unknown. I also think or realize that behind every myth there is some truth. How much depends and can vary from almost nonexistent to almost all. Without at least a grain of truth, no myth can take hold and last for centuries or even thousands of years.

My mind is never completely closed, the door to it may be only ajar by an inch or it may be completely open, but never closed tightly shut as some of today's scientists minds are regardless of the evidence.

 

Dennis, here are a couple of more articles that may interest you:

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/spac...e-plane-preps-another-mystery-mission-n348111


Secretive X-37B Military Space Plane Preps for Another Mystery Mission

by NBC News

The United States Air Force's X-37B space plane will launch on its fourth mystery mission next month.

The unmanned X-37B, which looks like a miniature version of NASA's now-retired space shuttle orbiter, is scheduled to blast off atop a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket from Florida's Cape Canaveral Air Force Station on May 20.

"We are excited about our fourth X-37B mission," Randy Walden, director of the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office, said in a statement. "With the demonstrated success of the first three missions, we're able to shift our focus from initial checkouts of the vehicle to testing of experimental payloads." [See photos of the X-37B's third mission]
Image: X-37B space plane

The X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle mission 3, the Air Force's unmanned, reusable space plane, landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base at 9:24 a.m. Oct. 17, 2014. The OTV-3 conducted on-orbit experiments for 674 days during its mission.Boeing

The X-37B's payloads and specific activities are classified, so it's unclear exactly what the spacecraft does while zipping around the Earth. But Air Force officials have revealed a few clues about the upcoming mission.

"The Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL), Space and Missile Systems Center (SMC) and the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office (AFRCO) are investigating an experimental propulsion system on the X-37B on Mission 4," Capt. Chris Hoyler, an Air Force spokesman, told Space.com via email.

"AFRCO will also host a number of advance materials onboard the X-37B for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) to study the durability of various materials in the space environment," Hoyler added.

The Air Force owns two X-37B space planes, both of which were built by Boeing's Phantom Works division. The solar-powered spacecraft are about 29 feet long by 9.5 feet tall (8.8 by 2.9 meters), with a wingspan of 15 feet (4.6 m) and a payload bay the size of a pickup-truck bed. The X-37B launches vertically atop a rocket and lands horizontally on a runway, like the space shuttle did.

One of the two X-37B vehicles flew the program's first and third missions, which were known as OTV-1 and OTV-3, respectively. ("OTV" is short for "Orbital Test Vehicle.") The other spacecraft flew OTV-2. Air Force officials have not revealed which space plane will be going to orbit on the upcoming mission.
— Mike Wall, Space.com

This is a condensed version of a report from Space.com. Read the full report. Follow Mike Wall on Twitter @michaeldwall and Google+. Follow Space.com @Spacedotcom, Facebook or Google+.

http://www.popsci.com/air-force-space-plane-gets-science-fiction-engine

Military
Secret Air Force Space Plane Gets Darth Vader-Style Engine

For secret reasons, like turning in secret directions
By Kelsey D. Atherton Posted April 28, 2015
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6 kW laboratory Hall thruster

6 kW laboratory Hall thruster

Courtesy NASA/JPL-Caltech.

The Air Force’s secret robot space plane is going to try out a new engine. The X-37B has so far spent a total of 1367 days tooling around in Earth’s orbit, doing classified things. Yesterday, the Air Force Research Lab announced that on its fourth flight, the X-37B will come with a new fuel-efficient engine for maneuvering in space.

Hall thrusters were developed first by the Soviet Union during the 1960s, as a way for satellites to correct their course while in orbit. Apparently the engines were so effective the United States didn’t believe they were real at first. Now, Hall thrusters are commonly used on satellites and deep-space probes. They’re a kind of ion engine, which means the Air Force’s secret space robot will soon have an engine similar to that used by Darth Vader in his specialty Twin Ion Engine (TIE) Fighter.

Hall thrusters get their name from the Hall effect, where an electrical field is produced perpendicular to a magnetic field. Set up in an engine, this electric field accelerates ions from a noble gas like xenon, propelling it outwards fast enough that they can provide thrust for the vehicle.

In a press release, the Air Force Research Lab described the purpose of the upcoming test:

The experiment will include collection of telemetry from the Hall thruster operating in the space environment as well as measurement of the thrust imparted on the vehicle. The resulting data will be used to validate and improve Hall thruster and environmental modeling capabilities, which enhance the ability to extrapolate ground test results to actual on-orbit performance. The on-orbit test plans are being developed by AFRL and administered by RCO.

Putting an engine like this on a secret space plane means that the Air Force, which includes space in their mandate, will learn how to maneuver unmanned vehicles efficiently outside the Earth’s atmosphere. That’s essential for any future space fighters that may come to be, but I wouldn’t count on the Air Force developing actual TIE fighters just yet.

 

Wow!!!!!

That is interesting!

Back in 1965 Helen Wambach Ph. D. began a type of study into what people saw if they were regressed in time while in a hypnotic trance. The results were shocking....... to say the least.

Later on she and Dr. Chet Snow began a third study where volunteers were progressed into what they perceived as the future????! For about seven or eight years this made no sense to me whatsoever until I was reading some articles by Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman on hypnosis as a time machine and then it hit me.......... time was not limited to being one straight line but instead might well branch and branch and branch.........… as many of us volunteer to go back into what would appear to be the past...… but then we make better decisions and spin off a whole new time line in which some or even many of the injustices of the past are corrected.

Dr. Chet Snow's group was progressed forward from 1980 - 1983 and the difference between the January 1, 2013 that they saw, with what happened in our time period is amazing but............. here is the more relevant part:


http://dwij.org/forum/future_link/future7.htm

 

Exactly!

And over and over again I have ran into evidence that indicates that our lives are entirely all recorded on something vastly better than DVD.

I am convinced that all of us are volunteers in a reality film being shot in four dimensional space - time. We volunteered to be filmed...............… Dannion Brinkley during one of his two near death experiences was shown that only the most courageous and philosophically advanced spiritual beings will volunteer to become the soul - spirit of a child destined to be physically or mentally handicapped or suffer from a serious childhood illness.

Under the best of conditions, life here in four dimensional space - time is difficult........ but some lives are downright scary even to spiritual beings (angels/ Elohim).... who have already incarnated many many times.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research01.html

Pre-Existence and the Near-Death Experience

 

I had a discussion around 5 years ago with a professor at one of the Doctor Who/Sci-Fi conventions in Atlanta. He also believed time was not linear and time happened at different speeds at different times. Which brought up the question of time travel and what would have happen if one went back in time and changed something. Say I went back and killed Hitler prior to WWII as an example. The timeline or history of the line we are on would remain the same as it has already happened or has been written. But by killing Hitler, that would create a second timeline to be followed or walked into the future. Two timelines then would exist in this universe and dimension.

Travel into the future in our own timeline is impossible. Although one might travel to a future timeline or branch as you put it. The future on the timeline we exist in has not been written yet and thus travel to something not written or non-existent is impossible. I hope I explained this right, it was a long time ago. Perhaps what was seen by these folks who saw the future was not our own timeline, but another branch that had progressed past 2015 due to that timeline traveling at a different speed than ours, but is relative to them as time is to us. In other words, they would still have a 24 hour day, only the minutes would be ticking by a lot faster than ours.

 

You're coming pretty darn close to what Buddhist believe. That one is born followed by death, followed by being reborn and death again and again in a never ending cycle. Only enlightenment once attain can put a top to the cycle of being born and dying. But it may take a thousand lifetimes to achieve it.

I think there is another dimension besides the four we know. I also thing if one looks at the Buddha once he attained enlightenment and was dying with the cycle of birth and death broken, one of his monks asked where he would go once he died since he wouldn't be return to this existence. Over 2500 years ago and I will paraphrase here, The Buddha said he would be going to a place where there is form and no form, time and no time, space and no space, conscious and no conscious...he went on listing other things in the same formula of existing and not existing in the same place.

Something to think about anyway. Could be another dimension completely unknown in both science and theory.

 

So you "Warmers" have finally picked a doomsday.... 2030.... I'll set the doomsday clock. And when 2030 comes and the Earth is virtually identical to what it is today, you will all pick a new dooms day, like 2050 and claim its science and if we denie it we're dumb

 

I didn't pick anything. I have been more in a discussion of linear vs. nonlinear time. Reincarnation and the possible existence of dimension that are totally beyond man's comprehension. That and maybe the existence of a god vs. E.T.'s whom the ancients may have considered gods. Examples of been put forth.