Hamas fires rockets at Israel

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    I suggest that Zionists should finally respect the lives of civilians. :(
     
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    Very commendable, but easier said than done? I daresay that if Hamas didn't keep doing what they're good at doing, ie launching high explosives into civilian areas hoping for a few kills every time, Israel would be only too pleased to leave the Gazans alone - I'm sure they don't like killing Gazan women and children, but I don't see they have much choice.
     
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    They simply don't care about the lives of civilians.

    I think they want the Palestinians to turn their backs on Hamas. They believe that bomb terror is the appropriate tool for that. As a side effect, they achieve a further displacement of local inhabitants to make more room for new Jewish settlements.

    Zionists consider mass murder of Palestinians an effective method of their expansion policy.
     
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    What utter drivel, not worthy of further comment - other than to say that if Gazans 'turn their backs on Hamas' there will be dire consequences for them.
     
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    Look at the short history of the Zionist colony, bro. It's extremely violent and inhuman. One might think that the hatred of the Nazis on Jews made Zionists into bloodthirsty predators.
     
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    Guess what ?
    Yesterday the Palestinian Bedouin terrorists in Gaza fired missles at Israeli cities.
    Again.
    Again and Again.
    Hamas are the cause for Gazan's problems ( mmm...and Egypt )
     
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    RE: Hamas fires rockets at Israel
    ※→ pitbull, HoundofHades, et al,

    BLUF: There are no coherent political concepts that one can rest any firm understand upon. They have no single voice and no single goal or objective. Thus, many of the sweeping statements about the Arab Palestinians (no matter how you divide them up) can be relied upon; other than to say that whether they are in the West Bank, Jerusalem, or the Gaza Strip, there is little they all believe in. They cannot even agree upon the sovereignty of the State of Palestine (or even if such sovereignty exists).

    (COMMENT)

    In terms of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), there is no real policy, concerning "civilian lives" on the part of the Arab Palestinian population. The HAMAS leadership has no intention of following Customary and International Humanitarian Law (C&IHL). Simplified, this becomes especially true in three distinct aspects:

    ◈ Group One:

    ✦ Rule 11. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited.
    ◈ Group Two:

    ✦ Rule 23. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas.
    ✦ Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
    ◈ Group Three:

    ✦ Rule 96. The taking of hostages is prohibited.
    ✦ Rule 97. The use of human shields is prohibited.
    Fatah: Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis
    Itamar Marcus | Jul 18, 2019
    Fatah: Murdering 12 Israeli children and 25 adults was a "natural human expression that all human laws guarantee"
    Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement believes that mass murder of children is "legitimate human struggle... that all human laws guarantee" - on condition that the murderers are Palestinians and the victims are Israelis. According to Fatah, since Israel has been an "occupier" since the day of its establishment "71 years" ago in 1948, Palestinian murder of any Israeli, adult or child is something "that all human laws guarantee for the oppressed peoples that are struggling to be redeemed from injustice and occupation." Accordingly for Fatah, as long as Israel exists Palestinians will have the right to kill Israeli children, as part of its "legitimate" struggle to destroy Israel.
    (COMMENT)

    Gazans have, by their own admission and by your spontaneous declaration, have no moral high ground; none at all.

    Article 68, Penal legislation. V. Penalties. Death penalty, Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

    ◈ Protected persons who commit an offence [Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP)] which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (Israel), but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment.

    ◈ The Occupying Power (Israel) may impose the death penalty on a Protected persons who commit an offence [Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP)] guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power (Israel) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.​

    For years, I have heard it repeated over and over again, that the HoAP some sort of special authority to commit terrorism and violence. Not only is this NOT TRUE, but it is a violation under International Law to incite violence by spreading this kind of false and misleading statements.

    (COMMENT)

    Bloodthirsty! Come on now...

    • Fatah reposts and pins video of boy who wants to “shoot Jews” and “die for Jerusalem”


    [​IMG]
    Abbas’ Fatah urges its followers on Facebook to “reshare” a video of a small Jordanian boy, Amir, who is off to Jerusalem to avenge Palestinian terrorist murderer Omar Abu Laila who was killed by Israeli soldiers when he resisted arrest after having murdered 2 Israelis in 2019.​

    [​IMG]
    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Hamas is furious about all the peace that's breaking out in the Middle East.
     
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    Not only Hamas..
    Also Hezbollah, Abu Adolf Mazen and other Palestinian leaders.
    They are against peace.. they want to stay in this condition forever and continue to suck our donations.
     
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    And in this particular case it also has to do with anti-American sentiment as well.

    https://www.tldm.org/news9/russianinfluenceonmideast.htm



    True!

    They will be worried that their Russian handlers may stop or at least reduce their payments.


    https://www.tldm.org/news9/russianinfluenceonmideast.htm

     
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    Of course some IDFers like killing Palestinians and even have T-shirts made to celebrate their bloodlust:



    1. "Video Shows IDF Snipers
    Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun,
    But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It"
    http://kalamu.com/neogriot/2014/09/...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/

    EXCERPT "Four soldiers lay on their chests on a rooftop. In the same shot, we see what appear to be two Palestinian children playing on a rooftop. One of the soldiers takes aim and shoots one of the Palestinians on the roof, clearly hitting him in the thigh.

    The soldiers then celebrate. One imitates the flailing actions of the wounded Palestinian, while others shake the hand of the ‘successful’ sniper." CONTINUED


    2. "Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Dead Palestinian Babies, Bombed Mosques"
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israeli-army-tshirts-mock_n_177574

    EXCERPT "Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children’s graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques - these are a few examples of the images Israel Defense Forces soldiers design these days to print on shirts they order to mark the end of training, or of field duty. The slogans accompanying the drawings are not exactly anemic either: A T-shirt for infantry snipers bears the inscription “Better use Durex,” next to a picture of a dead Palestinian baby, with his weeping mother and a teddy bear beside him. A sharpshooter’s T-shirt from the Givati Brigade’s Shaked battalion shows a pregnant Palestinian woman with a bull’s-eye superimposed on her belly, with the slogan, in English, “1 shot, 2 kills.” CONTINUED

     
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    Would it be possible for some Palestinians to steal IDF uniforms?

    Do some Palestinians look like some Israelis?

    Is there genetic evidence that backs up the fact that some Palestinians resemble some Israelis?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsvi_Misinai
     
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    Sure, it's possible for Palestinians to steal IDF uniforms but unlikely. It's even less likely that a Palestinian could steal an IDF sniper rifle just to shoot other Palestinians.

    You're also correct in stating that in many cases Israeli Jews look like Palestinians since they are both mainly Semitic people.

    Are you suggesting that some Palestinians stole IDF uniforms and weaponry to shoot Palestinian children at play?

    Thanks,
     
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    The Palestinian wall of lies and Jihad allow Hamas hide rockets under civilian houses.
    The Palestinian terrorists pay 50$ to Gazan kids to throw stones and participate in violence riots.
    And Yes , they steal uniforms.
     
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    Speaking of a Wall of Lies.... the national debt of the USA... in my opinion.... also depends on a Wall of Lies.......


    Dr. Kevin Zadai, Prayer Secrets Level 1, Warrior Notes School of Ministry, lesson 4 :

    Can the national debt of the USA be paid off in one year?




    In my opinion..... which is that of a janitor who reads a lot...... I believe that the same people who invest heavily in the Wall of Lies told by the true leadership of the Palestinians........... are connected with the true leadership of the people who would not want the USA national debt paid off... so that the USA could operate in THE BLACK!?
     
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    IS YOUR eyesight getting bad?

    Are you having trouble reading the font on your computer these last few years?


    Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups

     
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    Sure, they are soldiers, young men. It was said of the Poles in WWII that they killed Russians
    out of duty and Germans out of pleasure. Let's condemn Poland too.
    It amazed the Japanese that their dead comrades were given full military honors at Pear Harbor.
    Compare that to Hezbollah - they extracted ransom from the family of a captured Israeli soldier,
    then killed him and tossed his coffin off a truck afterwards.
     
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    The primary difference is that the Israelis wouldn't be able to violate international law through their ethnic cleansing agenda without extorting $ Trillions from US taxpayers(1).

    Therefore, America is justifiably blamed for being complicit in Israeli war crimes and has paid dearly for engendering Anti American resentment throughout the Islamic world.

    What sort of gratitude and loyalty does America receive for its life saving aid to Israel:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html



    (1) "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
    https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

    By Thomas R. Stauffer

    EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED
     
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    Re:
    No, I've got a variety of other health issues from a life lived fully if not always wisely but my eyes are fine, why do you ask?


    What's the use of child suicide bombers got to do with IDFers having fun by murdering innocent Palestinians?
    The US doesn't fund the Palestinians with $ Trillions and the most advanced weaponry in the world like it does Israel's ethnic cleansers.
     
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    RE: Hamas fires rockets at Israel
    ※→ Grau, et al,

    BLUF: Again, this is pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) propaganda.


    (COMMENT)

    OK --- Just where do you see an Israeli → "ethnic cleansing agenda?"


    "Ethnic Cleansing" is political terminology and NOT "Legal Terminology." It is not the same thing as "Genocide."

    (COMMENT)

    OK. Let me see if I understand this. You are saying that you cannot identify a specific case of a "War Crime" event or a specific political or military policy of "Ethnic Cleansing."

    Can you at least explain the "complicity?" I don't really see an association or joint participation of the US and Israel in any criminal venture. In fact, I'm having a hard time seeing a specific "criminal act" or particular "criminal event."

    (COMMENT)

    Well, this is enlightening. Your implication is clear. You are saying that without US aid, that the life of the Sovereign State (Israel) would be in peril!
    [quote+"Article 2(4) UN Charter"]
    All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
    [/quote]​

    ✦ We know that one major faction holds a policy that: "No recognition of the legitimacy of the occupation whatever; this is a principled position, political and moral, and therefore do not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long." This same faction holds that: "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine."

    ✦ We see another major faction expressing a position that: "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." - and - "Murdering children is a "legitimate human struggle" - when killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis." - and - "Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war."​

    Both Major Factions suggest that the entirety of the territory formerly under the Mandate (river to the sea) is Palestine. That constitutes a threat to the sovereign territorial integrity of Israel. Israel has the inherent right of self-defence if an act of agression occurs, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Israel reserves the right to take immediate action against any credible threat of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the State of Israel.

    [​IMG]
    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Did Netanyahu REALLY say that?
    Israel was established in 1948. No American help whatsoever. The Arabs
    sought to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Jews but it didn't work, despite
    the international arms embargo and all the support England gave the Arab
    nations.
    America only got involved during the 1967 war when Russia, the backer of
    the Arab ethnic cleansers, thought to intervene when the Arabs were again
    losing, despite Western arms embargoes on Israel.
    Same happened when the Arabs wanted to ethnically cleanse the indigenous
    inhabitants of Palestine, and in again losing called upon Russia for help.
     
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    ✦ We know that one major faction holds a policy that: "No recognition of the legitimacy of the occupation whatever; this is a principled position, political and moral, and therefore do not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long." This same faction holds that: "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine."

    ✦ We see another major faction expressing a position that: "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." - and - "Murdering children is a "legitimate human struggle" - when killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis." - and - "Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war."​

    Both Major Factions suggest that the entirety of the territory formerly under the Mandate (river to the sea) is Palestine. That constitutes a threat to the sovereign territorial integrity of Israel. Israel has the inherent right of self-defence if an act of agression occurs, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Israel reserves the right to take immediate action against any credible threat of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the State of Israel.

    [​IMG]
    Most Respectfully,
    R[/QUOTE]


    Good morning,

    If I understand your comment correctly, you dispute that Israel has and is currently engaged in ethnic cleansing. Legal term or political term, ethnic cleansing is still ethnic cleansing, aka Genocide

    Secondly, you state: "You are saying that you cannot identify a specific case of a "War Crime" event or a specific political or military policy of "Ethnic Cleansing."

    I'll address your first post first. I don't now how any well informed and impartial observer can dispute that what was a Zionist Colony and is currently, Israel has and does try to eliminate former Palestine of its native Arab residents via a protracted "Provoke-then-massacre" strategy:

    "Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."
    http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm

    The murderous ethnic cleansing/genocide that foreign Zionist terrorist gangs could and did not accomplish at Deir Yassin etc in the 1940s, subsequent Zionist terrorists (IDF etc) continue to do through their "Provoke-then-Massacre" strategy since it has long become clear to the educated world that "Israel" wants all Palestinians and / or all non Jews dead or gone for a Theocratic, Zionist State.

    The Israeli government is accomplishing that goal via means both insidious and overt:

    ---- Just a few examples of Israel's overt Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide:

    1. The routine & systematic mass slaughters like "Operation Cast Lead" as well as previous and subsequent "Provoke-then-Massacre" exercises .

    2. The deployment of Genotoxic, N.D.U., D.U., Experimental, Chemical ordinance and D.I.M.E. bombs that sterilize living inhabitants & ensure birth deaths & birth malformations of children not yet born. [1], [2], [3]

    3. Extermination of Food gatherers, growers & producers. I'll only cite 2 of the countless documented murders of Gaza's fishermen who are wide-open targets for genocidal IDF members to enjoy murdering during an afternoon of easy "fun"[4]:

    “Israel fires at Gaza boats, kills Palestinian fisherman: hospital officials”
    Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/07/us-israel-palestinians-idUSKBN0M30HP20150307#ZWIs3J97 zbCT54DK.99

    EXCERPT “The Israeli navy opened fire on boats off the coast of the Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing one Palestinian fisherman, Gaza hospital officials said.
    Citing security concerns, Israel keeps a naval blockade on Gaza, .....and has designated a six nautical-mile fishing zone off the enclave's coast."CONTINUED

    AND}

    “Israel Sprays Farms In Gaza With Poisonous Chemicals (Video)”
    http://yournewswire.com/israel-spray...emicals-video/

    EXCERPT “Israeli pesticide planes sprayed Gaza’s agricultural lands east of Gaza in recent days causing huge damage to the crops in a very short space of time.
    “When I arrived on my farm on Wednesday morning, I was surprised when I saw an Israeli farming plane crossing the borders towards farms inside Gaza,” farmer Ahmed Badawi said. “The plane started to spray unidentified chemicals.”
    Mahmoud Dalloul, another farmer in a different area near the border, said that this was not the first time that the Israeli occupation sprayed poisonous chemicals on their plants.CONTINUED

    ---- A Few Examples of more Insidious Zionist Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide that are quiet, just as deadly & less like to make headlines.

    1. Use of raw sewage as a Bio / Chem. weapon[5] Food depravation along with the destruction of fresh fruits, vegetables & fish guarantees diseases related to malnutrition [6]

    2. Relentless home demolitions exposes the youngest, oldest & most vulnerable to the elements:

    “Father Finds Five-Month-Old Son Frozen to Death in Gaza “
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mid...h-gaza-n289371

    EXCERPT “A grieving father has recounted to NBC News how his five-month-old son froze to death after the family’s Gaza home was bombed by Israel. Sami Abu Khesi is among the Palestinians who have yet to rebuild in the wake of last summer’s conflict which left more than 2,100 people dead.

    The ministry has confirmed four children have died as a result of hypothermia this winter …

    According to the United Nations, more than 18,000 homes were destroyed or severely damaged by the summer conflict in densely populated 139-mile-square Gaza. More than 100,000 people were left homeless, the U.N. said, and countless more continue to live without heating or running water. This year's harsh winter has forced many to survive by building campfires inside the exposed shells that once were their homes.”CONTINUED

    3. An additional example of the more insidious forms of Zionist Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide in Palestine is the destruction of life-sustaining infrastructure such as the targeted destruction of Gaza's only power plant.[7]

    If you're reading this, it is very likely that you enjoy the luxury of a reliable electric power source that preserves your food & sometimes, water supply. You only notice how much you rely on that reliable electric power in the rare instances in which it is occasionally interrupted in which case you are only briefly inconvenienced.

    Imagine life in Gaza where, if your home is not destroyed one night, you are rarely with the electric supply on which you rely for food preservation, water, cooling, heating & in the case of the very old, very young, or hospitalized, your life depends on that life sustaining requirement.

    The list of fatal forms of torment by Israel's Zionist regime are endless and range from "Relaxed Live Fire Rules" [8] to recreational executions "for Fun" [9].

    What is most revealing about the Ethnic Cleansing/Genocidal agenda of this Zionist State is the widespread Israeli societal support for "Ethnic Cleansing" [10] in which "expelled" is, in reality, exterminated or consigned to a Real "Concentration Camp" like Walled & Blockaded Gaza in which some IDF members can exercise & boast about their homicidal hobby [11]

    While I doubt that anything I have written has changed your sentiments, I feel that I have at least managed to identify several specific cases of War Crimes as well as several specific political or military policies of Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide.

    Thanks



    (*) "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140


    [1] “CONSEQUENCES OF ISRAELI WEAPONS TESTING ON GAZA”
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspo...s-testing.html


    [2] "Gaza sees more newborns of malformation"
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/gaza-sees-more-newborns-of-malformation/

    EXCERPT "Since the Israeli Operation Cast Lead last winter, the besieged Gaza Strip saw an increase in the proportion of fetus and newborns malformations.

    He said the increase of fetal deformity cases is related to the radioactive and toxic materials resulting from Israel’s use of prohibited weapons.

    Although fetus malformation was caused by several reasons, we should not ignore the impact of toxic substances and chemicals, especially the white phosphorus, which Israel used in a disproportional way during the war, and white phosphorus is prohibited to use in places of civilians, said the doctor."CONTINUED


    [3] “The DIME Bomb: Yet another genotoxic weapon, Part III”
    https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=5748

    EXCERPT “ Since early July, Israeli forces have been using a new weapon in the Gaza Strip that inflicts strange and deadly wounds....

    .......DU & NDU bombs are converted to micron-sized particles that sicken and kill and murder the next generation in the womb.”CONTINUED


    [4] “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08...-you-share-it/


    [5] “DEMONSTRATING THE HARMFUL EFFECTS CAUSED THROUGH THE ILLEGAL ISRAELI SETTLEMENT PRACTICE OF DUMPING WASTEWATER ONTO PALESTINIAN AGRICULTURAL LANDS”
    http://www.arij.org/latest-news/479-...ral-lands.html

    EXCERPT “(*)Israeli settlements are illegally dumping wastewater onto Palestinian villages, farmlands and agricultural lands. This practice has devastating effects on the Palestinian lands, both reducing and preventing any agricultural production, livestock farming and infecting previously safe drinking water. The accumulative effect of these issues has resulted in an economic downturn, increases in disease and health problems, an increase in poverty and often the slow migration of Palestinians to other areas where they have more potential for earning and farming which only further compounds the issue of internal displacement.”CONTINUED


    [6] “The Israeli Campaign To “Starve Palestinians Into Submission Is A Crime”
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-i...a-crime-2011-6


    [7] “Gaza's only power plant destroyed in Israel's most intense air strike yet”
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...estinians-dead

    EXCERPT " Amnesty International said the crippling of the power station amounted to "collective punishment of Palestinians". The strike on the plant will worsen already severe problems with Gaza's water supply, sewage treatment and power supplies to medical facilities.” CONTINUED


    [8] “Israel relaxes live-fire rules against Palestinian stone-throwers”
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ition-measures


    [9] “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08...-you-share-it/


    [10] “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6919271.html

    EXCERPTS “ Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found.


    [11] “Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Dead Palestinian Babies, Bombed Mosques”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_177574.html

    EXCERPT “Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques - these are a few examples of the images Israel Defense Forces soldiers design these days to print on shirts they order to mark the end of training, or of field duty. The slogans accompanying the drawings are not exactly anemic either: A T-shirt for infantry snipers bears the inscription "Better use Durex," next to a picture of a dead Palestinian baby, with his weeping mother and a teddy bear beside him.”CONTINUED
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, Netanyahu did really say: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”
    I cited just one source in my earlier Post.

    Yes, what is really a theocratic Zionist colonization on Arab land was imposed on Palestine's native residents by foreign powers in 1948 however, you're wrong about early US aid to Israel:

    EXCERPT "Truman's commitment was quickly tested after Israel's victory in its War of Independence when she applied to the U.S. for economic aid to help absorb immigrants. President Truman responded by approving a $135 million Export-Import Bank loan and the sale of surplus commodities to Israel. In those early years of Israel's statehood (also today), U.S. aid was seen as a means of promoting peace.

    In 1951, Congress voted to help Israel cope with the economic burdens imposed by the influx of Jewish refugees from the displaced persons camps in Europe and from the ghettos of the Arab countries."CONTINUED (1)

    However, in reality, it was Germany that really "... made the deserts bloom" with its construction of virtually all early Israeli infrastructure:

    “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED

    You wrote that: "The Arabs sought to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Jews but it didn't work,...". Actually, Palestine's native Jews and Arabs got along reasonably well until the invasion of FOREIGN Zionist terrorist gangs who committed countless murderous atrocities such as bayonetting pregnant women in the abdomen. (2)

    The native Palestinians were and are simply doing what anyone in their position would do. They were and are simply resisting the longest and most brutal foreign funded invasion / occupation in modern history.

    Can you think of any native population that has not resisted ruthless foreign invader-occupiers?

    Thanks,


    (1) "U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel: History & Overview"
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel


    (2) “Israeli Massacre Of Deir Yassin”
    https://www.countercurrents.org/akleh150413.htm

    EXCERPT “A process of cleaning up the village was, then, conducted by the terrorist groups which included the rape of some women, the cold murder of many Palestinians, and the blowing up of homes. Men and women were lined up against the walls in the main street and executed in cold blood. Members of whole families were murdered in their homes even after surrendering. Girls and women were raped and then murdered. The Zionist terrorists had bayoneted the wombs of Pregnant women and crushed the heads and bodies of dozens of children and babies. This cleanup process continued through the next two days, Saturday and Sunday, and demonstrated the savagery of the Zionist Jewish terrorists.” CONTINUED
     
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    I shouldn't be surprised by Netanyahu says. He's on fraud charges isn't he?
    re Deir Yassin. There are thousands of Palestinian villages where no war
    charges were made. Fact is there was no true Israeli govt at the time, but
    many paramilitary groups. Israel apologized for this massacre and pleaded
    with Arabs not to leave. Truth be told the Arabs wanted to turn every kibutz,
    every Jewish village and town, and every Israeli city in Deir Yassin - turning
    the sands of Palestine red with blood (quote Nassa.)
    The fact is the Jews are the indigenous people of what is called Palestine.
    The Arabs turned up during the Islamic invasion.
     
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    Regardless of the fraud charges that Netanyahu faces, his statement exemplifies the the fact that many Israelis regard Americans who fervently support them as "...inherently dupable people" (aka "Suckers")(1) with good reason.
    Not only does America get nothing in exchange for fighting wars for AIPAC(2) and $ Trillions in aid(3) but Israel frequently steals and then sells US secrets to hostile governments(4) with impunity.

    Re: "The fact is the Jews are the indigenous people of what is called Palestine."
    As you must know, Canaan-Palestine-Israel was already inhabited before the arrival of the ancient Israelites and as recently as 1850, Palestine's Jewish community comprised only 3% - 4% of former Palestine's population. Most all modern day Israeli Jews either arrived from a distant location recently or are descended from a recent arrival so that's why the Palestinians are resisting the oldest & most brutal foreign funded occupation in modern history.



    (1) "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"
    http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

    EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year.

    The naivete Israelis perceive in Americans is not just something they believe only Israel’s adversaries exploit; Israelis believe they can do so, too — and do. In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.

    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. CONTINUED


    (2) “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003


    (3) "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
    https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

    EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED


    (4) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
    https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

    EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

    In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

    More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002."CONTINUED
     
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