Harvard Grad Student Facing Eviction over Legally Owned and Stored Firearms

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  1. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the Washington Free Beacon Report, Layla Pimie gave the following information:
    Some facts in this story are disturbing:
    1. Since when is it OK to rummage through someone else's room? I wonder if she can bring charges related to illegal entry or illegal searches against her roommates.

    2. If the landlord does not have possession of firearms stated as a restriction in his lease or rental contracts, he can't suddenly use it as an excuse.

    3. Most disturbing is the soft impressionable brains of leftist students who sink into paroxysms of fear over the sight of a MAGA hat. That should be grounds for expulsion from an institution like Harvard, where emotionally delayed development does not meet standards.
     
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    She should sue everyone involved. The damages will be higher than she probably realizes.
    Time to find a good aggressive tort lawyer.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Seems to me it should certainly be within a landlords right to determine if he wants guns on his property.
    Rather hilarious that the same Conservatives that argue it should be OK for a business not to bake a cake for a gay couple on religious grounds should want to take away a landlords right to determine if he wants to rent to someone with guns.
     
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    Did she already go to court?
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Donor

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    o_O wtf were they doing that for?
     
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    How about put it in writing BEFORE renting the apartment?
     
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    I'm conflicted here. On the one hand, I support Pirnie's right to legally own and maintain firearms. On the other hand, having lived with roommates in the past, I understand that some people are uncomfortable with the prospect of living in a household with firearms that do not belong to them. That is their right as well. This should have been discussed before she moved in to the house. In fact, while renting different abodes throughout my life, I have always informed landlords/owners that I own firearms, and have demonstrated to them that I keep them locked and secure.

    I do, however, resent how this story has been presented here. The roommates were reasonable in their requests of Pirnie. That is to install trigger locks and store them in a locked cabinet, this despite no legal requirement to do so.

    Pirnie could have complied to her roommates wishes, but chose not to.

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    And note that apparently she went away for a werkend leaving her guns unsecured in a place obviously available to her roommates or anyone else visiting the apartment.
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Donor

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    so does she have a secure closet or chest to put them in that room:confuse:would of that stop that cult minded groupies
     
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  10. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, a landlord absolutely has the right to keep out firearms, just as they have the right to deny pets. But it has to be declared up front and written into the rental contracts or lease agreements. Otherwise, it falls under wider firearm laws. Her possession of the firearms was completely legal. The cops investigated and found that she was legally registered, and stored them under lock and key in a safe place.

    BTW, it was reported she had historical cause to keep arms.
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The story just broke this weekend. I think she is lawyering up. But it is a great topic of debate.
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You make great points.
    I have heard the following arguments with regard to removing firing pins and locking up guns. Once that is done, they are not available for immediate protection. Intruders will not wait for you to reassemble your gun, or get to the safe. It was reported that she had been the victim of some sort of violence in the past, and had good reason to want to protect herself.

    Do we all really need to disclose our firearm possession?
    If the landlord asks, then they should get an honest answer. But disclosing possession is also an invitation to theft.

    When did possession of a gun become a moral test?
    Should someone also have to disclose to the world if they are wearing a colostomy bag?
    I'm trying to point out that there needs to be a line of civility where personal business is a respected privacy.
    The fact that her roommates felt they had the right to search her room when there was no justifiable threat or evidence is crossing a line of civility and getting all up into someone's private business.
     
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    Well, colostomy bags don't often kill innocent bystanders. So, there's that.

    And how the roommates discovered the firearms is a bit vague. Pirnie states that they were specifically looking for her guns. That leads me to believe that at some point previous she had indicated that she had them. I don't condone them ransacking her space to discover them, however. That said, the roommates deserved to know that they were living in a house with loaded firearms.

    Requesting the removal of the firing pins was over the top, I agree. But, the letter to the landlord indicates that the guns were stored loaded although "locked". That that would make me uneasy as well.

    People have a right to feel safe in their homes, and people often equate firearms as being unsafe. I can understand this. I did not keep my firearms in my home while my children were little for the same reason. I just didn't want my family to become a statistic.
     
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    How did the room mates find the gun if it was under lock and key?
     
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    So she could keep a bear in her room unless the landlord prohibited it in advance? How about pigs. Giant wheels of stinky cheese?

    The woman obviously isn't responsible enough to own guns if she is going to leave them unsecured and loaded in a multi person apartment with roomates she apparently didn't even know while she hoes away for a weekend. That is just dangerous stupidity.
     
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    You say you are a firearm owner. Have you ever heard of a locked firearm with no bullet in the chamber, or even with a bullet in the chamber discharging all by itself? She was trained and her weapons were "properly stored". Leaving a bullet in the chamber without locking the firing pin, or placing them in a position to possibly fall and go off would not meet standards for "properly stored". Like a colostomy bag, guns don't kill people. People kill people.

    I find the incident fishy as reported by the roommates, who changed their story many times. One excuse of fear that the gun might accidentally discharge is an imagination born from ignorance on how firearms work. Yet, they reported in their email that the guns were loaded and locked. Seems to me that they would need to have knowledge of guns. They would have had to pick it up, examine the chamber, flick the lock, etc. THAT is scary!

    If the roommates are truly insecure with a firearm in the house, it is incumbent on them to move out. Their comfort is their responsibility, not everyone else's. What would they have done if the violation were possession of heroin, not a firearm?

    I tend to believe they were out to get her for the reasons they stated: she was from Alabama and had a MAGA hat.
    It fits the profile.
     
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    Thinking someone should handle weapons responsibly is hardly being cult minded. She apparently went away for a weekend leaving loaded weapons unsecured in an area certainly open to anyone in or visiting the house or apartment.
     
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    How were the firearms locked? And who said they were properly stored, the local police? How would they have known how the guns were stored. I don't think we even know where they were when found. Do we even know what they were or how many?
     
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    "But it has to be declared up front and written into the rental contracts or lease agreements"
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It has been reported two ways. You'd have to read the police report. The type of firearms she had were not disclosed, but they probably had built in locks. They were also "stored properly" which suggests they were out of sight and in a secure place.
     

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