Harvey Caused by Climate Change?

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By who?
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As opposed to the smoothe ride of the little ice age period and the dust bowl era.
     
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    Kind of a fail. First, cyclone activity went down while temperatures went up. Another problem is that weather is created by temperature differences. As the earth warms it does not warm evenly. For instance the equatorial regions only cooled by 3c during the last glaciation. This is called polar amplification. As the north warms the differentiation in temperature lessens which means less dynamic for storms. Could be the reason the US has had a 12 year drought of cat 3 and 4 hurricanes.

    The most deadly US hurricane happened in 1900. Death toll estimated at 6,000 to 12,000.
     
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    Interestingly this is not about poor farming practices, Volcanic atmospheric interactions, Alien insurrection or using silly putty as a birth control device.
     
  5. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet you seem to think weather was a smooth ride before industry started "warming the planet"

    Edit: By the way your severe lack of knowledge of the dust bowl era is showing. It was about much more than farming practices and makes my point t that weather was a bumby ride before mass industrialization.

    "As it turns out, that period of time was much more catastrophic than previously understood.


    In a recent NASA study, researchers say that the 1934 drought precipitating the Dust Bowl was the most severe drying out in North America for the last 1,000 years.

    Scientists from NASA and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory used tree-ring drought records spanning back to the year 1000 and found that the 1934 drought was 30 percent more severe than the runner up in 1580. The 1934 drought covered 71.6 percent of western North America in comparison to the 2012 drought, which covered 59.7 percent."

    https://weather.com/news/news/1934-drought-worst-millennium-dust-bowl-20141020
     
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    How did you reach such a flawed and inaccurate conclusion? Your words taste foul.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read my edit in previous post. Hopefully you learn something
     
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    Actually, after reading your edit and dealing with your insulting nature I prefer to end further communication.

    Have A Nice Day:???:
     
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    At least I hope you learned something about the dust bowl era and the biggest drought in a thousand years that caused it. A major climate event well before industrialization and the supposed warming true believers blame on it. No need to get your feelings hurt and run off but so be it.
     
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    David Burge‏ @iowahawkblog Aug 28
    David Burge Retweeted smh.com.au

    Good news! Science identifies cause of hurricane: wrathful spirit gods wreaking vengeance on carbon-sinners
     
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    A tsunami and a storm are two different weather events. A tsunami is caused by an earthquake. I had heard the "worst ever" on a newscast. In actuality, it's close, but maybe not quite. Here's what some experts have said about Harvey:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/hurricane-harvey-slams-storm-chasers-134842542.html
    Josh Morgerman, who chases tropical cyclones like Harvey around the world, described the storm as "One of the worst hurricanes I've ever been in." The hotel he was staying in for shelter was nearly blown apart by the storm's 130-mile-per-hour sustained winds, along with higher gusts.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/25/disastrous-us-hurricanes-since-2000-could-harvey-top-them
    Hurricane Harvey reached land Friday night, securing its place in history as the most furious hurricane to hit the Texas coast since Hurricane Carla in 1961. Carla killed dozens and destroyed nearly 2,000 homes.
     
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    Everything you say is true. However, it is also true that warmer water temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico and bays and oceans, allow storms to pick up more energy. That extra energy can be the difference between a tropical storm and hurricane. It can be the difference between a little bit of flooding, and acre-upon-acre of flooding. To ignore the added risk associated with AGW is wreckless and irresponsible.
     
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    It is also important to note that warmer air will allow for more moisture.
     
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    This BBC article sums up Climate Change's contribution to Harvey fairly well. BTW, the BBC is considered one of the most unbiased news organizations. It unequivocally links the warmer gulf water and the warmer air to climate change. It also links the stationary property of Harvey to climate change.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41082668

    One big question, though, is the persistence of the storm over the Texas area. This has been key to the scale of the downpour and the amount of flooding that has been seen so far.
    Some researchers believe that climate is playing a role here too.
    Prof Stefan Rahmstorf from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research says that a general slowdown in atmospheric circulation in mid-latitudes is a possible follow-on from a changing climate elsewhere in the world.
    "This is a consequence of the disproportionally strong warming in the Arctic; it can make weather systems move less and stay longer in a given location - which can significantly enhance the impacts of rainfall extremes, just like we're sadly witnessing in Houston."


    It does quote other scientists, who believe that more study is needed to evaluate this phenomenon. But again, there is no denial associated with the warmer gulf water and warmer air.
     
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    You mean like the lack of hurricane US landfall the last 12 years and cyclone activity worldwide being down and less severe?
     
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    Forgetting about Sandy? That said, I'll agree that the instances of hurricanes aren't up. But the damage of the most recent is devastating and historical.
    Numbers adjusted for inflation 2010
    1. Katrina (LA/MS/AL/SE FL) 2005 3 $105,840,000,000
    2. Sandy (CT/DE/MA/MD/ME/NC/NH/NJ/NY/PA/RI) 2012 2 $60,000,000,000
    3. Andrew (SE FL/SE LA) 1992 5 $45,561,000,000
    4. Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 2 $27,790,000,000
    5. Wilma (FL) 2005 3 $20,587,000,000
    6. Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 3 $19,832,000,000
    7. Charley (FL) 2004 4 $15,820,000,000
    8. Irene (NC/VA/MD/DE/NJ/NY/CT/VT/NH/ME) 2011 1 $15,800,000,000

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/hurricane-statistics/
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    Sandy was a category 2 storm, relatively mild as hurricanes go. The issue with Sandy was the rich building where it is stupid to build.
     
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    And probably would have only been a Category ONE, if not for AGW. Billions and billions of dollars spent, all the worst instances in recent years, and still we have deniers.
     
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    What's the point of the tweet quote? It's the exact words I quoted.
     
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    This was the first major hurricane to hit the US in almost 12 years so he doesn't seem to have a solid frame of reference
     
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    LOL, still trying to make a connection not even the IPCC makes. Well, hysteria is like that.
     
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    And you all want to ignore the billions spent on the unprecedented strength of the hurricanes. I admitted the numbers aren't much higher, but the intensity certainly is. Warmer air, warmer water - makes for more intense hurricanes. No doubt about it. Hide your head in the sand, if you prefer...
     
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    Anyone can.play arm chair QB you have no facts to back up that claim.

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