Harvey Weinstein Did Nothing Wrong

He didn't rape a single person. He didn't assault a single person. I can't think of a single crime he committed once you tune out the media noise and distraction.

Basically you have a group of women who wanted to be rich and famous. He was willing to do that for them if they do a little something in exchange. He delivered. He gave them their dreams and now they dwell among the 1%.

Now you have all these women calling the media from their Beverly Hills and Pacific Palisades mansions saying "me too".

You too? Really? So are you going to give away your mansion and luxury cars and millions of dollars? After all aren't these things only reminders of the awful things Harvey did to you?

What a joke.

Harvey Weinstein did nothing wrong.

 

He tried to avoid being hugged by Hillary Clinton, that's at least 1 thing in his favor. Unfortunately, all the other women he was demanding give him a hug,etc.. outweigh that one moment of sanity.

 

Let's say you're right and everything was perfectly consensual. While not criminal, his behavior was still deeply unprofessional and wrong. Sometimes, businesses ignore ethics to please their shareholders, but in this case, both ethics and shareholders are on the losing side.

I recognize that in the business world a lot is based on personal favors instead of merit, but I oppose this sort of behavior whenever I have the power to do so. I judge and want to be judged based on the work done instead of the willingness to do personal favors or sexual prowess. Even if I were a porn star, I would insist on a tryout in front of a camera to properly assess how suitable I am for the job instead of sleazy backroom dealings.

Feel free to call me a naive moralizer, but in my sphere of influence, people would get fired for these sort of hiring practices. Exercise some self control or get the hell out of here.

 

Why you naive moralizer!

I believe he has been accused of rape.

There is a bit of irony here because you have to wonder how many women without any real talent, made a ton of money, because Weinstein pushed them through. There is a lot of talent out there. How does any particular person rise to the top? Probably mostly luck and bjs would be my guess.

This is more about Machiavelli, than Hollywood. The man with the gold makes the rules. And people in power have always abused their power. But the wink and nod of those controlling places like Fox is apparently passing into the dustbin of history; one lawsuit at a time.

 

I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt of not knowing all the details, but Harvey Weinstein is being accused of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape. If the allegations are true, then Weinstein most definitely did many things that were wrong.

 

Yes Harvey is a toad of the most revolting sort, but to be fair in this Hollywood is famous for having absolutely no ethics from moguls to starlets -- with, of course, the occasional glaring exception or two whom are inevitably of historical interest simply for being one of those very rare exceptions.

The huge irony in all of this is that Hollywood people have long been the most vocal in virtue signalling whatever the national issue that arises and yet they themselves almost always turn out to be loathsome people with revolting habits. No wonder that ninety five percent or more of them are -- apparently -- utterly wedded to the Dem Party; the party of rank hypocrisy in regards to -- well -- in regards to pretty much everything. Nice!

 

Total nonsense from an ignorant pov. They are just people like everyone else. Reagan was an actor. And he is widely considered to be the greatest Republican since Lincoln.

Fox News is Hollywood and Republican central. And they have been plagued with this sort of behavior.

 

That's illegal on its own. Exchanging sex for career advancement is discrimination towards the women who don't sleep with him.

 

So why has it all only so recently been revealed? That is the question.

 

Actually, quite a few of the women who have stepped forward are rich and famous.

 

That is an interesting question. When Bill Cosby was gang-accused I wondered what's going on here? Cosby was an icon of a conservative family, on TV. Then Fox News people were gang-accused and then I knew a little more about that because Gretchen Carlson, the first, was actually just an unhappy person who was passed over for advancement at a conservative news org. So I began thinking this is just politics.

But this Harvey Weinstein has me scratching my head again because he is a huge dem supporter. In Harvey's case, maybe real accusers began to jump in after the first few attacks were just political. Dems seem to have a way of doing things that always backfire on them.

Steve

 

Basically you are defending any man that demands sex so a woman can work is 'consensual' if she does it.

 

So you hate women too. I take it that you are also single.

 

Women are afraid they won't be believed if they accuse a powerful or wealthy man. When one comes forward others are braver.

Its a bit like child molesters. We had a very respectable banker who molested his daughters and then granddaughters.. When it finally came out he had also molested his nieces.

 

So when a women accuses a man of raping her you automatically assume she is lying and just doing it for attention? Yet when Donald Trump claims that there are millions of illegal votes you just believe him? You are proof sexism still exists.

 

I'm not trying to defend anyone, BUT I can't even imagine where this would all be going if Hillary Clinton had become president.

Steve

 

I am kinda mid-way about this.

Sure, such a hysterical crackdown on gender relations can only reduce our society into a cold, empty world in a short- to mid-future, where we would leave our humanity at home, and act like a robot as soon as we step outside of it - an Orwellian world, where one will have to pay contravention or even do jail time for a wink. Aslo, I was surprised at the number of people that fell on their arse when they learn about such a thing as a starlet sleeping with a producer to gain a role, as much as I was surprised at the number of (young and beautiful) women who go to other men's hotel rooms expecting civility. Would these women openly admit to their life-partners that they went to a producer's hotel room? Come on now.

But on the other hand, there is a line. Some of Weinstein recorded acts I consider far beyond the pale. At some point, a "no" ceases to be sensual, and when that comes - and you'll know it - it is aggression indeed and one better find a way for his brain to overule the balls at that moment. It's only made worse by the fact that the aggressor is, in this case, in a position of authority, effectively using it to coerce sexual acts out of unwilling victims - which can be defined as "rape".

I say punish Weinstein as a rapist if found guilty of such - not that I believe that will really change things, but if there must be justice, there must be apparence of justice as well. We live crazy times.

 

I am pretty sure none of the sexy anchors at Fox never had to commit degrading acts myself. Huh-huh. Nothing else but raw talent in there, great communicators and intectuals.

 

Some day if you have time you'll have to explain how Hillary being president would have an effect on Weinstein's behavior.

 

I was just adding to my post above after realizing one of Clinton's many excuses for losing the election was "misogyny." Since these accusations are all coming at once no matter how old they are, then it also makes me wonder if some or most of it is just angry women that Clinton lost the election.

I have worked around a couple dozen female nurses as a tech, in the past, and when things like this made the news, work relations always got inhibited, less than ideal work relations.

Steve

 

You are making the assumption that ALL of these women were lying. . . . Regardless of whether or not rape was committed or CRIMINAL charges may be levied, most companies forbid sexual harassment or encounters involving quid pro quo, which are definitely grounds for lawsuits.

 

Then you won't have any problem leaving the Women in your life alone with him?

 

Using someone's career as leverage to blackmail them into sex is rape. These women were clearly talented enough for their performances to make money, so I think they get the credit for their fame and wealth.

 

Sexual harassment/assault and prostitution have been a part of hollywood since the early 1920s. It's the dirty little secret that's finally out now. No need to apologize for Weinstein. His kind are demons. Him, Clinton, they're of the same cloth.

 

Bill O'Reilly, Roger Ailes, all scum