Has democracy morphed

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Has democracy changed?

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  1. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    The change is simple. Democrats have a lot of influence and power over the internet, and the media.

    They change the definition of things. Just like they changed the definition of a democrat.

    Democrat- an advocate of democracy.

    OF course this is very untrue. But when you run several mainstream dictionary sites, org sites, and .edu sites, you can make people believe you over time.

    The Democrat Politicians, are not for the people at all. Their for themselves, and the rich elites, and the corporations, because they control them. Just ask hillary clinton. She was on the board at walmart. They want to destroy the middle class with many things. like 7 dollars per gallon, empty store shelves, panic, and anarchy, killing cops, global warming. fear tactics.
     
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  4. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    I'm talking about Democracy, not particularly the deomcrats. But yes, they do have influence. The question is, who has influence over them?
    It is here in Aus too. Our politics have subtly been manipulated and those in power have and are compromised, by who? China.
     
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    Yes. We have elected leaders who pass only a very small proportion of the rules that control your life. They bicker constantly about irrelevant, polarised issues and leave almost all of the actual control to a cabal of unelected technocrats in the civil service.
     
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    Many centuries ago a Greek philosopher said, in effect, 'If you want to discuss something with me, let's start by defining our terms.' That applies here, I should think, to the term 'democracy'.

    As an example, if we define 'democracy' as people voting directly for their representatives in their country's government, then we can certainly see straws in the wind.

    In particular, there's the Texas Republican Party Platform for 2022.* Section 19.d. on page 4 of the document reads:

    "19. Amendments to the US Constitution: We: . . . . d. Support restoring state sovereignty with the repeal of the 17th Amendment of the United States Constitution and the appointment of United States Senators by the state legislatures."

    Of course, different definitions of democracy will toss up other examples.

    * Ref: 2022-RPT-Platform.pdf (texasgop.org)
     
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    I'm living in France, there is big crisis, a deep loss of confidence into the system. There was a big change for the last 10 years, before there was two dominant powers : the RPR/UMP/LR who gave us Chirac and Sarkozy (they changed their names as a lot of people despised them), the PS (socialist parti, more a historical thing than really their politics). Things splitted and went to a three parti things LAREM/Renaissance/Ensemble (they picked the tradition of changing names as pants of the parti of Sarkozy apparently) which is basically a merged PS and UMP, and at center, and at their left a radical left parti (LFI/NUPES), and a radical right parti (RN/FN). Globally old political positions seems weakened, because they needed to merge to remain relevant, but they still have the actual monopoly of power, when being a small minority of the population, around 15 %.
    A lot of people renounced to vote, people who hold power are actually a minority, and french people particulary mistrust medias.
    https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/202106...dia-deeply-shaken-ifop-opinion-poll-fake-news

    A specificity is that the EU didn't improved things. It has to be remembered that french people refused the modern european constitution in 2005, in 2007, N.Sarkozy decided just to ignore that and I think he should go in prison for that. How can you trust your politicians when they betray you in such a blatant way ?

    Now that the country is entering a deep crisis because of the conflict with Russia, who would imagine that things could improve ?

    Clearly democracy is dying there. I doubt we will see a military coup or something, but as anger, contempt and mistrust grow toward political elites, It's likely that more time pass, the less people would care if this democracy disappear.

    It's interesting, because from the start, that kind of problems were announced or studied, political elites ruling for themselves. They are representative in name only. I personally suppose that democracy has to go further or perish.
     
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    If democracy can be defined as the people controlling their government, democracy has largely been an illusion in the United States. As Eisenhower warned in 1961, special interests control the federal government. The people don't control the government, special interests do, and it has only grown worse since 1961
     
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    Indeed, they do.
     
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    I am in Australia, I have seen the erosion of what was supposed to be a democracy. It was evident during the covid period. A taste of things to come.
     
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    Most definitely. The government was supposed to be the representation of the people, now the governments represent the interests of outsiders.
     
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    I can't not use the US as an example. But, from my perspective, the US is the modern-day symbol of democracy. This is where I have seen the most in the metamorphosis of democracy. Turning into something else, I don't want to postulate just yet but it is apparent the democracy of the US is going down the toilet. Once that goes, the rest of the world will follow. Don't forget, that's my perspective.
     
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    Democracy in the US has never worked perfectly but has become more defective since TV came on the scene and people could simply judge by appearance, and no longer needed to think even a tiny amount.
     
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    Without specific examples of what you are talking about, your question is meaningless. Morphed? Do you think Democracy is a Transformer or something?

    Yes, it has morphed into a unicorn. :rolleyes:
     
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    If anyone questions our financial situation, what money is being wasted on, or why we think it's a great idea to destroy Russia, they will know that the Democrats are in the process of demolishing our country. And that we must turn both houses red.

    But the President is spewing crap and telling us it ain't so.

    Democracy is rule by the people, so when our politicians lie to the people, our democracy is broken.
     
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    Funny how everyone else understands the question, but you fail to do so.
    Aren't the links in the first two posts sufficient enough? For you, obviously not.

    As for the metamorphosis, the statement implies, a change from its original and intended form, or did you miss that one?
     
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    Yeah, it is a valid point, but do you think that was caused by corruption?
     
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    But does money really reflect on the situation or is the influence and policies made that are wreaking the US?

    He is just a puppet. Someone has their hand up there making the sock puppet talk.

    Yes, you could say that. Now that the problem is identified, what about a solution?
     
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    Democracy in the US hasn't morphed. Our perceptions have and the manipulations have.

    The US was once not actually "one whole country". It was a United States. IE: Several States United. Now its just the US. Or USA. Or United States of America. People once considered their State over their Country. Now, people consider their Country over their State.

    And that too is part of the manipulation.
     
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    TV certainly didn't help:

    Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly - Gospel (John 7:24)

    AND: But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” Bible (1 Sam 16:7)

    But here on Political Forum we are discussing mainly using text, and that gives us a better chance to reach valid conclusions. THERE IS HOPE!
     
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    “Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws.” (Baron Rothschild)

    That is true. But he had some involvement, as a puppet, as a mouthpiece, in his Nov 2021 phone call to Zelenskyy to challenge Russia by crossing Putin's 'red line'.

    It's here, it's us. That's why I post, it's my debt to my country.
     
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    Yes they have, but what was it that changed them? Policies, laws, mandates etc.
    Is the current administration the driving force of these changes, or are they just the sock puppets?
     
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    Ooh, you're on the right track.

    How will that affect change, your contribution?
     
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    Don't know. :shrug: I don't think you can point to any one thing or any one instance or any one person or any one group.

    Like I often say....everything big comes from something small. That is what has happened. Tons of small things built up until the OP's question was asked because it was noticeable.
     
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    Ok, what if we remember what was the 'norm' back in the day, what are the differences nowadays? Are their similarities or something completely different, changes that have occurred that have replaced the 'norms' that we knew back in the day?
     
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