Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    FoxHastings said:
    So you want abortion banned to punish women who have sex outside of marriage?

    (I already know the true answer ;) )


    Nope , I do not support the choice to kill A living human...I do support the choice to kill a human fetus.


    OK, I answered your question now answer mine:

    So you want abortion banned to punish women who have sex outside of marriage?
     
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    What ! No answer ??!!!

    LOLOLOLOL.....
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But does it really? There actually hasn't been much research looking specifically at to what extent the vaccine reduces the chance of spreading the disease.
    It is known that people who have taken the vaccine still can get infected, and even spread it. The main claim seems to be that they are less likely to get sick if they become infected.

    In the absence of solid studies definitely proving that the vaccine will prevent infections of others, it seems questionable to use public health as a rationale to force what amounts to a violation of bodily rights. (All the more so especially since most of the deaths are in elderly people)
     
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    So let's do NOTHING and hope we don't all die....gee, that's a great plan!!!!!

    Is getting measles and TB vaccinations a violation of bodily rights?


    And why are YOU worried about "violation of bodily rights"....you sure don't care when it comes to taking them away from women !!!!!!!!!


    You seem glad to deny women their "bodily rights....but when the shoes on the other foot it sure pinches! :)
     
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    Look who all of a sudden is a champion of bodily rights... Give me a friggen break.
     
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    :) He stepped right into that pinching shoe...:)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like let the woman abort and hope that a sentient human being wasn't killed, even though we may not really know for certain?

    You'd have to purposefully have your head in the sand not to see the parallel here.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    So let's do NOTHING and hope we don't all die....gee, that's a great plan!!!!!
    AS USUAL YOU HAD to leave off part of the post... :) WHY is that ???:




    """"So let's do NOTHING and hope we don't all die....gee, that's a great plan!!!!!

    Is getting measles and TB vaccinations a violation of bodily rights?


    And why are YOU worried about "violation of bodily rights"....you sure don't care when it comes to taking them away from women !!!!!!!!!


    You seem glad to deny women their "bodily rights....but when the shoes on the other foot it sure pinches! :)

    UH DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I was discussing your post about getting the VACCINE....didn't you read it????



    And why are YOU worried about "violation of bodily rights"....you sure don't care when it comes to taking them away from women !!!!!!!!!


    AS USUAL YOU HAD to leave off part of the post...:




    """"So let's do NOTHING and hope we don't all die....gee, that's a great plan!!!!!

    Is getting measles and TB vaccinations a violation of bodily rights?


    And why are YOU worried about "violation of bodily rights"....you sure don't care when it comes to taking them away from women !!!!!!!!!


    You seem glad to deny women their "bodily rights....but when the shoes on the other foot it sure pinches! :)
     
  9. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, but this latest vaccination is MORE of a violation of bodily rights.

    This is because its actual level "effectiveness" is very questionable, and it can carry many side effects, some of them very severe in rarer cases, that have not been well studied.

    We've discussed all this in other thread discussions, of course.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Is getting measles and TB vaccinations a violation of bodily rights?


    No, it isn't...a vaccine is a vaccine...and a sane person knows that we needed one as quickly as possible..


    A severe violation of rights is forcing women to grow a human fetus inside their body.....

    YOU are not being forced to use your body to sustain the life of another by getting vaccinated..
     
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    So you view "sustanence" as different from "saving life"?

    How about if we simply wanted to inject some mRNA into the woman to temporarily reprogram the cells at one site in her body... say her arm, or maybe uterus... to simulate the effects of pregnancy.
     
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    No, it isn't...a vaccine is a vaccine...and a sane person knows that we needed one as quickly as possible..


    A severe violation of rights is forcing women to grow a human fetus inside their body.....

    YOU are not being forced to use your body to sustain the life of another by getting vaccinated..


    Since you seem to need to cherry pick posts I reprinted the entire post above ;)


    Yes, using your body to grow a ZEF is quite different from getting a shot that prevents you and others from getting disease and killing others.

    Why aren't you worried about all those "innocent lives" that may die because some people fear a vaccine???
     
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    No, the effectiveness of this vaccine is quite well known.

    And, that is the case for other vaccines, too. No vaccine is some sort of perfect defense.

    All our medicines, including vaccines, have possible side effects. What is known about the COVID vaccines is that safety of an individual's health is improved if one gets vaccinated.

    And, vaccination slows the transmission rate. This is true for other vaccines, too. Refusing to be vaccinated IS an added risk to others around you.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree. A debate for another thread.
     
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    You should switch to spending some quality time on such sites as CDC, WHO, NIAID, etc., so you can gather some knowledge concerning the vaccines we're using.

    It's a little silly to discuss this topic without having a clue as to what science based medicine is saying about this virus, its treatment and prevention.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a little presumptuous of you to believe that "science based medicine" is actually obviously & unequivocally on your side.
     
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    So, I never say that. I don't have a "side" when it comes to medicine.

    What I DO have is the FDA, CDC, WHO, and the rest - the ones who have the facilities and knowledge of how to do serious clinical testing.
     
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    The only one dodging anything here is you.

    RQAA.
     
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    I answered your question now answer mine:

    So you want abortion banned to punish women who have sex outside of marriage?
     
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    You continue to be stuck in paradox.
     
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    You are far from correct. My position: Abortion laws cannot be enforced and have no benefit to society.

    I am prepared to defend that position with confidence. You, on the other hand have been unable to describe how you would enforce these laws. You deflected to "murder", but have been unable to address the issues I brought up.

    How would you address the issue of the thriving medical tourism industry your proposed laws would create?
     
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    Nope. All you have done is provide a paradox and have refused to clear it. You are refusing to hold rational dialogue.
     
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    How are murder laws enforced?

    I am responding to your position with a question. You are not answering the question, thus conversation is not continuing.

    RQAA.
     
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    LOL, ya, right ....................it's not "rational" to YOU because you can't answer the question...:roflol::roflol::roll:
     
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    Your inability to address this issue is noted and I appreciate you admitting dodging my question with another. Feel free to start a thread on murder and invite me. I will answer all your questions directly and honestly.

    You are not alone; no one has been able to address the issues I brought up. That leads me to believe that the position of concern for human life is one of projecting an image rather than one of genuine concern.
     

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