Healthcare--a right or not?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Education is a right currently
     
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    yes they do.. of course they do! what's this nonsense? humans (in a group) can compel others to pay taxes (from income they earn through their labour).

    no, not everything is a right... healthcare is a right because society says it is. society doesn't say everything is a right. why is this so hard to understand?
     
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    what do you mean "how"? in practical terms? well it means that e.g. if you have injured yourself badly and can't afford to pay for treatment, treatment will be free for you, paid for with taxes (ie other folks money).
     
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    You'd be well served by learning the difference between a legal privilege and a right. Legal privileges come with conditions, and may be revoked without Due Process...getting expelled from public school requires no intervention from the justice system....

    rights may not. revoking rights requires Due Process.

    I bet you think voting is a right, too. drinking alcohol? driving?
     
  5. Vegas giants

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    You would do better to learn how the supreme court has declared a free and approptiate priMary education to be a constitutional right in more than one case. Lol
     
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    Healthcare is a service delivered by professionals who spend years in training and invest financial resources in education to develop skills.

    The government has no business redistributing healthcare services to anyone.

    Return the government to focusing on the enumerated duties and responsibilities within the U.S. Constitution.
     
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    Also you can never be denied an education. ....they must provide a alternative
     
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    loooool:roflol:

    "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..." - 15th amendment
    "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..." - 19th amendment
    "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote..." - 26th amendment

    you have literally no clue what you're talking about. cluess, clueless, clueless...
     
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    Paying taxes is a condition placed on one's choice to labor. You, nor anyone else, may compel me to labor. I have a rather impressive arsenal of weapons that will be directed towards anyone who tries to do so.
     
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    If I'm hungry, do I have a right to sit down with you and your family for dinner? If I'm homeless, do I have a right to sleep on your sofa?

    If it was legal for me to do so, then by your definition, those would be rights.
     
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    May a 13 year old citizen vote? May a citizen who's been convicted of a felony? no? then voting is a legal privilege.
     
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    All rights have restrictions. ....all of them
     
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    yeah yeah you're a tough internet warrior I bet... spare me the details.

    is it any practical difference though? Taking a % of what you earn is equivalent to taking a % of your labour. Yeah you have a "choice" if you choose to not use your labour at all, but that's not really a choice is it? As soon as you use your labour, society takes a cut. And unless you want to live a miserable life, you're going to use your labour eventually.. meaningless "choice".
    no that's ridiculous... Just because you have a right to e.g. food it doesn't mean you have a right to get food in any manner you please. Society grants you the right, but society also tells you how you can excercise that right. No, you can't go into peoples home and steal their dinner. But what you can do is to ask some government official for food stamps.

    don't be stupid, you knew it was a poor strawman argument.. don't waste peoples time with nonsense...
     
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    Ever hear of the voting rights act? Lol
     
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    Life, liberty and pursuits of happiness, as governed by Natural (Common) Law, are unrestricted. Natural (Common) Law stipulates that your life, liberty and pursuits of happiness may not infringe upon another's life, liberty and pursuits of happiness.

    In other words, your rights end at the tip of my nose, just as mine end at the tip of yours. you cannot compel me to do (*)(*)(*)(*)....not perform heart surgery, not remodel your home, not sell you a puppy or a wedding cake.
     
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    the 26th amendment specifically states that the right applies to those who are 18 or older.

    If the constitution three (or more) times refer to "the right to vote", how can you seriously argue that voting isn't a right?... that's just... beyond stupid.

    also, where have you gotten the idea that rights aren't subjects to limits and conditions??? free speech isn't absolute: you can't shout fire in crowded places. property rights aren't absolute. voting rights aren't either. most if not all rights are not absolute.
     
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    Again....scotus disagrees with you. Lol
     
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    then the USA obviously doesn't follow "natural (common) law"! You might as well be speaking about what rights and privileges there are in the koran or bible, it's just as irrelevant!
     
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    I think we've discovered the fundamental problem with leftists...and leftism. they don't know what rights are or where they come from.

    Presumably, they believe natural human rights did not exist until "government" came along.
     
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    Well you have your opinion. ....and scotus has theirs. Lol
     
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    Show me anywhere in the Constitution where it says the government should provide health care.
     
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    Show me where it says government can't
     
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    Leftist-fascists will always fall back on what they call social contract and social justice to support their evil vision of a socialist oligarchy.

    They would prop up a sock-puppet dictator surrounded by a powerful oligarchy to redistribute resources from producers to non-producers using iron boot tactics is their vision of utopia.

    Whenever you hear the terms social contract and social justice guard your personal liberty, freedoms, life, and property.
     
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    It's not a matter of it being weird to me. When you say that "society" is the only possible source of the good, you deny a premise you need to hold that there can be any such thing as what society should(←that word is appealing to something you say does not exist) require. You can't affirm both propositions consistently.

    I don't care what you call it, but normal people don't owe you any ontological explanation of our senses of justice against which we judge the law(which is what you really mean by "society"). It happens to be that there are points at which our senses of justice overlap, there are moral suppositions that all sane people share. If you just can't stand calling it natural law, fine, but it's there, and it's a much more objective standard than "the average of what the people thinks is good".
     
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    Where do rights come from?
     
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