Healthcare Availability

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  1. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    "One in three Americans has put off seeking medical treatment in 2014 due to high costs, according to Gallup — the highest percentage since Gallup began asking the question in 2001.

    Thirty-three percent of Americans have delayed medical treatment for themselves or their families because of the costs they’d have to pay, according to the survey. Obamacare, of course, had promised that it would help make health care more affordable for everyone, but the number of people who can’t afford a trip to the doctor has actually risen three points since 2013, before most Obamacare provisions took effect."
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/28/gallup-peak-number-of-americans-delaying-medical-care-over-costs/

    We all know President Obama and his surrogates would lie to us about healthcare.
     
  2. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    We've already seen this one.

    The Gallup poll does not say anything about the ACA. Indeed, the Gallup poll notes that this is a trend that has been growing over the last two decades and was not particularly affected by the ACA.

    I'll shut this thread down the same way I shut the last one down.

    Yelling about high deductibles is the newest right wing meme.

    But conservatives from George W Bush to Paul Ryan ALL called for high deductible insurance as a cost control measure. High deductible were supposed to make you shop!!!!

    That's why Bush championed Medical Savings Accounts, a concept that rests on the conservative fiction that somehow a lower middle class family would somehow manage to save $5000 in an account to meet the deductible.

    Most of the right wingers here who rant about the ACA now, championed high deductible plan ideas.
     
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    Literally every single person the US had access to health care before the ACA. Poor people actually had it better than most - no deductibles, no co-pays, no cost whatsoever.
     
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    Ayuh,..... It appears to me, that Yer off-topic,.....

    This ain't 'bout health Insurance costs, but Medical Care Costs,.....

    Responsible individuals, Should be able to create a Healthcare Savin's account, free from taxation, to deal with insurance deductibles,....

    Just as Responsible individuals, Should be able to finance their Own retirement, insteada the ponzi scheme run by the government, that was by design, never supposed to pay anybody, anything,....
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really? Every person in the US could afford a $1,000 outpatient treatment? Every single person in the US could afford a $50,000 operation?

    The discussion about universal healthcare started decades ago because so many people were denied medical treatment simply because of the cost. For those who weren't poor, many of them were denied coverage due to preexisting conditions.

    The ACA makes healthcare more accessible.
     
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    My grandma had the best cancer treatment money could buy…on Medicaid.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Millions of Americans were too "rich" to be on medicaid, but too "poor" to afford private insurance. These are the people that the ACA targeted.

    Why is medicaid good but Obamacare bad? Obamacare is far less "commie" than medicaid. With Obamacare, you have to buy your policy with your own money in private markets.
     
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    With the ACA, Medicaid is still Medicaid. That is still the only option for the poor. I like the pre-existing conditions change, but that could've been done with a law one sentence long. I don't view caring for the poor as "commie" and most conservatives I know share the view that we should take care of those who cannot take care of themselves.
     
  9. TomFitz

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    A couple of years ago, I worked a Christmas job at Macys, where a number of "responsible" people worked hard every day, did thier jobs well for years and made less than $10 per hour.

    Explain to us how these people manage to save $5000 a year.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    No you couldn't.

    The insurance industry would never have gone along with it, so the GOP would have talked about it and then undermined it (that's what they're paid to do).

    The fiction, pushed by many conservative politicians that you can just decree an end to pre existing conditions and maximum payouts is idiotic, but the audience isn't too smart and doesn't pay much attention to the details.
     
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    Your grandma?

    If she has any income or assets, she would not have been eligible for Medicaid. And if she was under 65, could she have afforded a four figure a month individual health insurance policy.
     

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