Healthcare costs and the free market

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Uh....I do. When I order any work I get a full breakdown in the estimate
     
  2. Longshot

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    Really? You think that laws protecting your property rights are brutal? So you don't think murders, thieves, and vandals should be punished by the law?
     
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    You can't play both sides of the fence. You can but I will call you out on it
     
  4. Longshot

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    No, the garage purchases the parts and designates the tasks to be performed by the mechanic. And the general contractor, not you, engages the plumber and electrician.
     
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    You'll need to explain what you mean by this.
     
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    No I really don't.
     
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    All done before hand and I sign off in advance knowing full well the cost of everything. That never happens in a hospital
     
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    Well then I have no idea what you're talking about and can't respond.
     
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    Okey dokey pokey. Now insult me and run off. LOL
     
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    The $10,000 per person figure represents total healthcare spending in the US. Only about half of that currently comes from government and is spent at the point of need (generally). Also, most people need much less that $10,000 in healthcare but your plan gives them it as cash at the end of the year if they don't spend it so you're looking at a minimum per person compared to the current average. Over all, you'd be adding a massive spending increase on (presumably federal) government.

    I actually asked you what you meant by making healthcare a "free market" but you've come up with something entirely different and though you've talked about people being given these vouchers, you've not yet explained how they'd be spent across the massively varied scope of healthcare. You've also made zero effort to explain how your plan would reduce prices, let alone by 80% across the board.

    I'm not trying to be harsh here, just pointing out that there are no easy answers. If there were, we'd all be using them already.
     
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    Yeah, that's the point. Because the market for healthcare is incredibly unfree.

    Margot's point was that a hospital can't do what a general contractor or auto garage does. And he's wrong.
     
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    Make it like the NHS and you will know exactly what your bill is.....nothing
     
  13. Longshot

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    And healthcare costs will continue to skyrocket. The costs to the taxpayer, that is.
     
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    Yes. Laws enforced at the point of a gun. So do you see how a free market implies property rights that must be strictly enforced by law?
     
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    Do you see how a society implies public safety be enforced at the point of a gun?
     
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    Not exactly. What I said was that a free market requires the legal protection of property rights.
     
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    I know. And I know what I said
     
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    When you need an angioplasty or a pace maker do you shop around or wait for a sale?
     
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    You didn't say anything. You asked me a question.
     
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    When you need a hot water heater replaced, do you shop around or wait for a sale?
     
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    You can shop around. I did. Same with my HVAC died.. Carrier wanted 6,000 Goodson wanted 2500.
     
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    And in a free market for healthcare you couldn't shop around for a cardiologist because...?
     
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    Of course you can and should shop around for a cardiologist, but that's still not "freemarket healthcare".
     
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    Is shopping around for a HVAC guy free market but shopping around for a cardiologist not? Why?
     
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    Do you see how "society" and "public safety" are nebulous abstractions?
     
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