Heat wave over Greenland causing massive ice melt

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Could large scale desalination of ocean water save cities from rising ocean levels?

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  3. I suppose it would work better than a Carbon Tax.

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  4. I am not sure but I will research this option further.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is why I've been promoting mega-scale desalination of ocean water since 2007. We cannot do this ourselves here in Canada, this looks like a job for Australia, Israel, California, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Tunisia, Morocco and other nations with lots of desert. ..

    (A Carbon Tax WOULD DO NOTHING TO PROTECT vulnerable land along the eastern Bay of Fundy as well as Anchorage Alaska that also has extreme tides)!

    "More than 10 billion tonnes of ice was lost to the oceans by surface melt on Wednesday"

    Heat wave over Greenland causing massive ice melt



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    What problem of continental drying ?? The earth is greening. Global warming results in greater precipitation.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point... elevated levels of atmospheric CO2 are indeed causing a huge increase in vegetation all over the world.

    On the plus side it looks to me like this is going to really shake things up for this Canadian federal election that is scheduled for October of 2019.

    Global Warming and Environment: Rejecting Alarmism and Focusing on Concrete Improvements
     
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    And increased atmospheric CO2 reduces plants' water losses by improving the ratio of water transpiration to CO2 uptake, making them more resistant to dry conditions. Win-win.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is also the cooling effect of plants in the air layer contained in the envelope of the plant's height and fields length and width.
     
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    Just to point out, from a scientific perspective that argument is pretty much a logical fallacy.
    The amount of total solar energy absorbed by the plant that actually gets converted to useful energy by the plant is actually very small, a tiny percentage.

    A greater effect might be the evaporative cooling process from the leaves.
    I believe this article may be attempting to describe how plants help provide a cooling effect to the earth (there are several other reasons), but gave a false reason for it.
     
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    Thank you for that..... Chaim Henry Tejman M.D. who is also a theoretical physicist
    feels that trees and plants held the key to stabilization of the climate.

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/globalW2.htm
    I think that you are correct that it has something to do with the amazing amounts of water that trees can absorb, store and evaporate.

    Leaves and spills are generally seventy seven to ninety one percent water and the woody part of trees is roughly fifty percent water.
     
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    Desalination would simply move water temporarily from one place to another and make no difference whatsoever in the grand scheme.
     
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    The problem in California is the lack of sufficient water storage capacity. The morons in Sacramento bought into the global warming perpetual California drought scenario and have not built any more reservoirs since 1979 (New Melones).
     
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    I believe a reservoir was also constructed in the Livermore area. But the thrust of your argument is dead on.

    Also fish were put above humans in the delta causing a lot of water to simply go to sea.
     
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    That was probably Del Valle?

    And costing the loss of thousands of jobs in the Central Valley. Ironically hurting both low income workers and the new progressive protected illegal alien class whose welfare they place above the welfare of US citizens. This is another example of the regressive policies of progressives.
     
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    Closer to Antioch but no, not Del Valle. That dates way further back. Construction finished 1968

    Agreed.

    This one has funding.

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    https://www.newsdeeply.com/water/ar...-reservoir-likely-to-face-water-access-limits
     
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    That is the one I was trying to bring up.
     
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    I’ve been there. They have a nice visitor/nature center. Hot in the summer.
     
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    Greenland is so enormous that a 1/4 inch melt of the ice could cause flooding. But hell, it also freezes right back.
     
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    That’s weather. Global warming is 0.015 degrees Centigrade per year increase.
     
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    But the WHERE the heating is occurring is important when we begin to discuss the least expensive way to
    protect vulnerable cities and towns from the threat of rising ocean levels and mega-desalination for
    agriculture and reforestation could well be far, far, far, far less expensive than building sea walls, dikes and levees not to mention massive sump pumps. A heat wave in Greenland is A SERIOUS PROBLEM!

    What worries me is when the ice begins to crack and slide into the ocean on a large scale...... it doesn't have to melt to raise ocean levels.... all that has to happen is for ice that was on land.... .to slide into the ocean... and voila... we have a problem!

    Another possible solution to the threat of rising ocean levels is to introduce beavers to many nations so that they can build dams and slow down the rate at which rain manages to flow back into the ocean.
     
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    Greenland is 16 times larger than Florida. Of course an inch at Greenland maybe 16 inches at Florida.
     
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    Dennis, the mechanics of ice sliding down the mountains is not as you fear.
     
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    Greenland is so enormous that they can have a heat wave that only harms a small part of it. It is simply gigantic.
     
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    Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater


    Actually I am more concerned about the West Antarctic Ice Sheet than the land based Greenland Ice Pack so this article was something of a surprise. Much of Greenland is shaped in such a way that the ice does not slide into the ocean.. but if the West Antarctic Ice Sheet gets hit with some warm water or air it could deteriorate rapidly.

    http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/news/antarctic-ice-sheet-20140512/#.VeOFcrR1qOw
    The "Unstable" West Antarctic Ice Sheet: A Primer

     
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