Heather Heyer Died of a Heart Attack

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  1. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're attempting to provide cover for a piece of **** that maimed and killed people in an act of terrorism.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's also charged with 7 other felonies at this point.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only to idiots.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah. The screaming clearly starts before his bumper gets hit with the bat.
     
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    Blaming everyone else has become a definitive right-wing trait.
     
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    Irrelevant. The attackers were wielding clubs, as shown in the video. This was not a peaceful protest, this was terrorist Antifa, who the girl who died was standing alongside.
     
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    That's not her, the actual victim was to the right of the attacker car, wearing black.
     
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    That was a response to this:

    The woman on the windshield of the 2nd car clearly suffered a significant impact.

    I have seen nothing that effectively counters that Heather Heyer didn't suffer an impact. There is a good deal of confusion over who is who in the videos and pics. For instance the pic of the woman on the gurney who was said to have died is likely her, but no real guarantee. If it is, you can clearly see the blunt troma on her abdominal area.

    So the result is that a woman died, scores of others were injured, some very seriously by the intentional act of a man who identified as a NAZI. Unless there is new information that comes out, to let this man walk the Earth free again would be a tremendous travesty of justice.
     
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    She suffered something, but it wasn't the girl who died.


    If she is the only person who died then it can only be her. The logistics are odd - the car comes to a halt practically beside her, and was going at a slow pace prior to that. So it would have "hit" her with no risk of fatality, which at least suggests there was more to it than a simple death from injuries suffered in the hit, and since we know she had a heart condition there's no inconsistency there. Maybe the sight of the car caused her heart attack. Maybe her fury. Maybe an actual impact.

    There are also some weird claims going around that she didn't die from a heart attack. Her mother stated as such on camera, so I don't know why that is doing the rounds unless the claim is that her mother misled, which really would be a conspiracy theory. That she died from a heart attack is not a conspiracy theory (mods take note???).

    The driver will do time. The question is what for. Murder I think is doubtful. He can't escape less than driving with intent to cause potentially life-threatening injury. In the meantime, the absurd hyperbole will continue on both sides, each seeking to exploit this event for their own political ends.
     
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    I see, at most, one person swinging a club before the attack started. And even then, it is debatable whether or not he swung before the attack started. Yes, others swung clubs after the attack.
     
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    Quite honestly the person who captioned the pic of the woman on the gurney could be wrong.

    Her mother may have said that, but she was clearly trying to lessen, in her mind at least, how much suffering her daughter went through by believing that she died quickly of a heart attack. That also doesn't change the fact that blunt force trauma can easily induce a heart attack by a number of ways.

    If he is actually convicted of that, there is little chance he can shed the malicious wounding charges, aggravated or not and that's more than enough for him to stare at bars for a very very long time if not for life.

    But only one side is trying to defend a malicious homicidal sociopath so your attempts to assume equality between the two sides is deeply troubling.
     
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    Like I said :)

     
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    Your claim continues to be false. The demonstration was OVER at that point. There is no shortage of reporting to that effect. The incident did not occurr at the scene of the demonstration. The attack was on people who were leaving.

    Your attempts to rationalize and excuse the behavior of the attacker are reprehensible.

    This thread started with a false claim promoted by white supremacists and cribbed by a right wing fake news site. There is NO evidence to support it. Yet the bigots on this forum were off to the races to embrace it.

    This is the most despicable and openly racist thread I have ever seen on this forum. And the deplorables here are shameless in their deliberate embrace of an obviously false claim, and their continued rationalization and denial of the despicable nature of the behavior they are embracing.
     
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    I doubt you are "deeply troubled".

    The lefty side is certainly trying to use this girl's death to their advantage, and there's no reason to think they wouldn't - the hard left is as bad, and I would say worse, than the hard right. In this case they are wilfully ignoring information which does mitigate the worst of the consequences of his actions, that in the light of the girl's mother's words it's extremely likely that her heart condition caused her death by heart attack (I don't think your explanation is particularly plausible), and by extension that any impact did not do so. That along with their denying any culpability in the whole thing in turning up with ****ing clubs, pepper spray and flame throwers, for Christ's sake, which they would have plainly used to kill the driver (if he hadn't backed out) and claimed "self defence".

    At the end of the day this was a legal, peaceful demonstration. Antifa didn't have to show up with murderous intent. But if anything "good" has come of this, it may be that they're now being seen for the scum that they are and if I'm not mistaken currently being rewarded with terrorist status.


    The mother informed the media of the girl's heart condition and said that to the best of her knowledge her daughter died of a heart attack. That's not a conspiracy, it's what she said (hello, mods out there? Conspiracy?). End of. Get over it, Tommy.
     
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    I heard the mom make that statement. The boy plowed into pedestrians. I would think a smart lawyer would point out that sidewalks are for pedestrians and streets for autos. Also an autopsy should declare her cause of death.

    He might end up with a fairly light sentence.
     
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    Worse in terms of property damage? Probably so. The right seems to be worse in terms of terrorism. Both sides have their wackos, but in both cases they are minorities.
     
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    That really should happen. The mechanism is there, and why not use it? She's not coming back, and there's no reason for there to be any doubt.


    He'll get a harsh sentence. He drove a vehicle as a weapon with intent to harm. No lawyer here, but even if he didn't directly cause her death he's not going to get off for that.
     
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    I was speaking to the top count as to the lady who died. If there is one thing Virginia does best, it is pile on charges like there is no tomorrow. Even 1 bounced check will get you two charges--uttering and larceny more times than not. Not saying he shouldn't be charged with all those things, just that Virginia will pile on every conceivable charge they can think of. Wouldn't surprise me if they charge him with going the wrong way before it is over (Not kidding).
     
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    It takes more than a "smart lawyer" to convince a jury that this justifies purposefully plowing into people.
     
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