Herd Immunity?

More and more I see posters pushing this insane idea.

More and more I see them talking like seeing a couple million dead is no big deal

And now we're hearing that Scott Atlas has Trump's ear and that has become our national policy because of him (for one)

So Am I wrong?

Have you Trump fans decided that we're going to do nothing?

Let everyone get infected and just clean up the bodies?

 

Yes, they have.
I am just thankful that my family can remain on our property and ride this out — the number of long term complications coming from this are a little more than I wish to expose my children to. It is strange that the red hats are demanding their children be infected so they can go to the gym or get their hair done — but again we are dealing with mainly the “me” generation pushing to just ignore the virus until everyone has it.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-with-vaccines.579694/page-12#post-1072122534

Read through that mess...

Clearly Trump fans think herd immunity is the way to go

 

To achieve herd immunity without a vaccine the likely death count will be somewhere over 5 million!

 

once the entire public has access to the meds Trump had accessed to, it would be a possibility, but I think the vaccine will be released before the meds Trump took

 

It would be great to ignore this herd and let them be on their merry way. (to hospital)

 

Encourage them to go to as many Trump rallies as possible in the next few days so that many of them can make use of the drugs before 3rd November that Trump promised will be available to them. If all those Trump supporters volunteer to be used in the herd immunity approach then the US will be more than half way there to herd immunity. Win, win all round

 

Are you wrong?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Herd immunity is a natural biological process that is part of the human condition, and the condition for any and all herd animals. It is how immune systems work, on the individual level and on the social level.

It is happening whether YOU understand it or not, whether the mainstream media talks about it or not.

The Swedes have demonstrated how functional it is.

 

The idea that Scott Atlas and others have is not to "do nothing". It has to do with focusing resources like testing on the weak and vulnerable, protecting them, and having relatively young and healthy people go back to normal. The strategy does still include social distancing, hand washing, (possibly) mask wearing, and staying home if you're sick. It's common sense. The only change is an end to economic lock downs, which even the WHO is now recommending.

Herd immunity will develop with or without a vaccine. The vaccine may be here next year, in a couple years, or never. If the vaccine has the same effectiveness as the flu vaccine, it will be at 40%-50%.

 

We have lots and lots of empty hospital beds. Why is that? Only 10-15 people out of 100,000 in the 65+ age range are being hospitalized each week now. (less in younger age groups).

Lockdown strategy made some sense early when we didn't have any data and we didn't know which treatments might be effective.

We know more now. Time to change the strategy.

(The red line is the age group 65+)





https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_3.html

 

Realistically not implementable in the U.S., especially during an election year.

End of discussion.

 

Herd immunity means everyone gets infected and that means millions die.

Especially older and physically less healthy people

 

https://www.koco.com/article/no-icu...official-says-during-council-meeting/34362285

Oklahoma City. Zero beds available

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/only-...ire-state-of-north-dakota-amid-covid-19-surge

ND...16 in the entire state

 

https://www.argusleader.coma/story/...hospitalizations-full-coronavirus/3640337001/

South Dakota with "problems" as Covid surges

Several days ago they had 0 beds...now despite nine more Covid patients they have more beds. Odd...

 

Unfortunately that IS the policy

 

dupe

 

No. Herd immunity means that something like 50% of people get infected and can no longer infect the other 50%. That slows the speed of spread.

So if you say that young people go work and live (and get infected) while you insulate and protect the elderly and physically vulnerable, then those young people cannot infect the older people sooner rather than later. Sounds like the, "Yes! Go fill the streets and protest. The more the better," type of advice. Barring all other opportunities to socialize, the young protesters are carrying out the herd immunity strategy for the good of society as a whole.

 

Actually the Mayo Clinic has herd immunity at 60-70% infected

Currently the US is at about 10%...and gee...it only took nearly a quarter million dead folks to get there.

And having young people run around infected like crazy makes it incredibly dangerous for the rest of us

 

This disease was designed to be highly infectious and thinking we can hide from it forever is just a false sense of security. It's here and when you go out it's probably there and sooner or later most of us will get a case of it. Severe or mild will probably depend on our own immunity system defending us. It ain't Trump, Biden or Obama that are to blame. It came from China and at this point it's just here. It's more like a bad flu than ebola and most of us, regardless of age, have a better than even chance of a flu like infection. Keep your distance, stay out of crowded confined spaces, wash your hands and wear a mask if it makes you more comfortable. Good luck

 

I'll not look up the rest of your anecdotal stories about bed capacity, but I did check into OKC. Apparently no one in the OKC health department, and neither the governor nor the OKC mayor appear to be panicking over the fact that the ICU beds in OKC have been "fluid", and changing every hour. One person in your link mentioned the problem is more a problem with personnel shortage, not beds. Since the pandemic began, we've been able to fly medical staff from other locations to where they are needed.

They just opened an entire previously empty hospital floor, and are requesting help with personnel resources.

We have learned how to shift and managed resources over the last 6-8 months.

 

CDC thinks there have been 10 undocumented cases for every documented case. That would add 78,000,000 cases to the 7.7 million published case count, or 85 million cases out of 330 million population. That is 25%-30% of the population.

Add to that the published reports about memory T-cells which protect 20% or more of the population from getting infected. That puts us at 45%-50% of the population who have been infected or won't be infected.

You should stay away from "young people running around infected like crazy", because that's what young people tend to do (run around and socialize). That is why the strategy is to keep the frail and elderly away from the younger and healthier groups which are out gaining herd immunity.

 

So lock up the elderly and anyone who doesn’t fall into the pub crawl crowd for what... forever?

Nice

 

Herd immunity

2 million deaths... mostly among older folks
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00451-5

And that’s best case

 

The US is currently at about 10%
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/us...-immunity-less-than-10-have-covid-antibodies/