Here is a very interesting fact

The primary cause of secession was slavery.

 

They. were. democrats.

You want to try to hold the democrats of today to the standards of the past to claim they weren't actually democrats.

Non-sense.

Own the democrats failures of the past.

 

Considering I've never voted for a Dem I can't be anymore distant from the Dems. I'm just merely pointing out the correct history.

 

Yes, of course. We all know the Dem party back then was the party of conservatives.

 

You're getting warm. Economics drove the Civil War. You might study that as closely as the other side.

And what specific words did that piece of cloth tell you, O Psychic Wonder? Did it grab you by your lapels and scream in words we all can understand, or must we filter it through a fixated single viewpoint?

Speak for yourself.

Since most people haven't read them, and you admit it, you therefore agree I was entirely blameless when I said I'd never heard of them. I am and remain a Yankee --- as in capitalist. Economics drove the breakaway. It was always about the money...which the North lost for a while until we forced them back into the fold again. Now kindly stop making excuses for the Democrats who founded the Klan and ruled over blacks for decades.

 

Not exactly what the Founders had in mind with the 10th Amendment, the way that worked out.

 

A number of years ago I enjoyed the movie the Usual Suspect’s and it’s memorable quote, ‘The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist’, a variation of which I have often applied to the Democratic Party, ‘The greatest trick ever pulled in politics was the Party of slavery and discrimination convincing the world that they have supported and continue to support the causes of minorities all along.’ And, every four years the Democratic Party keeps promising, that as long as votes keep rolling in for Democratic candidates their lives will be worry free in the next four years; the fulfillment of the promises is coming... just vote Democrat.

 

Yet the South at the time said it was over slavery. The only "economics" they talked about was the economics of slavery.

Here's what the man who designed it said about what it meant:

"As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored races. A White Flag would be thus emblematical of our cause . . . the White Man's Flag"

The only "viewpoint" I'm advocating is the viewpoint of history. There's a reason why I'm citing historical sources whereas you and other Confederate apologists avoid them at all costs.

No, I've defended my position by citing historical sources. You've cited only what your teachers told you to believe. As offensive as that fact may be to you, it remains a fact.

You are blameless for not knowing about the letters of the secession commissioners, but not for the rest of the sources.

Only if you are talking about the economics of slavery. Unfortunately for your spin, the Confederates explicitly TOLD US what drove the breakaway. And they told us, in their own words, that it was slavery.

BS. The South said it was about slavery. Why should I take the things your teacher commanded you to believe over what they had to say for themselves?

Please read before responding, because this is getting embarrassing. You are the one making excuses for them by saying it was about economics instead of slavery. I'm say (just as the Confederacy itself said) that it was about slavery.

 

Your history is wrong and revisionist.

 

So when convenient, you want to play conservative verse liberal, and also when convenient you want to play democrat verse republican.

Fact. Democrats have been awful to the blacks for nearly our entire nations history.

 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion

 

Not at all. It's people who make up the party. Southern conservatives fought for slavery. Southern conservatives founded KKK. What party they voted with over the centuries doesn't matter. Yes, back in the 1800s up till mid 1900s the Dem party was mostly made up of conservatives. It wasn't until the late 1900s and more so now that the Dem party has become progressive/liberal, whereas the Repub party has become the party of conservatives.
For the record, and I've stated this ad nauseam on this forum, I have never cast a vote for the Dem party nor ever will. I have either voted Repub or third party. Always have, always will.

 

Actually, 364,511 Union soldiers died in the Civil War. Approximately 328,000 of those were white. They died to free slaves.

Approximately 298,000 Confederate soldiers died. They died to keep humans enslaved.

Context matters. Confederates were traitors. Lost cause revisionism ain't gonna fly. Equivalency troll fail.

 

They were the conservatives of their day. They were trying to conserve the status quo - just like modern Republicans. Revisionist history fail.

 

To the point that they were referred to as Radical Republicans. No one with an ounce of integrity or sense would be mistaken about who was liberal or conservative. The South has always been conservative. During the Revolution, we called them Loyalists, or Tories. During the Civil War they were called Democrats. Now, we call them Republicans. The names change, but the basic need to drag them kicking and screaming through the inevitable evolution of society remains.

 

and about 259,999 of them were DEMOCRATS

 

The Confederates who died did NOT die as members of the United States. They were NOT Americans. That was the whole point of secession, was it not? You can't have it both ways.

 

Yep - Southron conservatives have much to answer for.

 

We'll never let Southron conservatives forget their sins. Don't you worry about that.

 

About as competently as your control over the Northern folk, one presumes. Being literate, and able to copy and paste and save stuff, we clearly have the advantage over hive-mentality liberals, that humorless cadre from the First Church of the Perpetually Indignant who believe whatever they're told.

 

Yes, those southern conservative dems did fight to keep slavery

 

Conservatives are the Wyle E. Coyote of history. They ALWAYS lose, and are ultimately remembered as *******s and/or fools. In the end, progress will happen. Always has, always will.

 

Wrong.
They were virtually all American born- thus, by our constitution, American citizens. They were trying to secede; they were unsuccessful. They were not required to apply for citizenship after the war, because they were already citizens. The confederacy, like Seattle's "Chop", was always part of the United States. Unlike Seattle's Chop, the people of the confederacy had pride in themselves and weren't a herd of juvenile braying jackasses. Those jackasses too are still, unfortunately, American citizens.

 

Well that reads like Conservative's have some catching up to do with todays leftist party, as they have had the fools roll for quite some time now

 

The silly play on wordage just makes your post look desperate and sad is all. Damn, be proud, own that ****! You get far more respect from all sides if you simply admit to a dark time but evolved in to something learned and better then the founders.. OR continue to pretend it never happened or it was someone else LMFAO