Here is what we are worried about.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Nightmare515, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    For years many people have asked the same question in regards to new gun laws and/or regulations and why so many people seem to be flat out opposed to virtually ANYTHING that has to do with gun control.

    Case in point, background checks. The question keeps going around asking why? Why would anyone be opposed to background checks? It doesn't really hurt anybody, it's a small inconvenience, it's not expensive, and it's something that the majority of Americans want according to polls. So why are some opposed to such a thing?

    Well there are varying reasons but here is the main one to clear up any and all confusion about where some of us stand on this issue.

    I'm using the term ignorant here not in a derogatory fashion but many Americans really are still very ignorant on firearms and how the firearm industry actually works. Many Americans are ignorant on how the many laws already on the books are implemented and enforced. There are so many different agenda's out there that it becomes virtually impossible to separate fact from stretched truths or flat out lies in order to coincide with one's agenda.

    Those of us with a better understanding of the laws and regulations already in place are able to foresee what many other Americans cannot; many of the proposed laws will simply not do much of anything to prevent gun violence. Case in point will be Obama's Executive Order on background checks.

    Here is what we are afraid of. Many of us do not believe that this new law made by the President will do anything to stop gun violence. But the public has pretty much forced his hand. The public outcry over the perceived rise in gun violence simply cannot be ignored. Even though statistics show the opposite and show that gun violence is on the steady decline it doesn't matter. As an elected official of the PEOPLE he cannot just ignore the will of the PEOPLE, even if their beliefs are without merit. The PEOPLE wanted "something" to be done, polls have shown that, so the President did "something".

    Herein lies the problem. This "something" that he did isn't going to do anything. It's not "if", it's "when". WHEN another mass shooting occurs UNDER this new Executive Order on background checks then the PEOPLE will again say "do something". We can say he did "something" he used Executive Action to do "something" but it didn't work. So the PEOPLE will say "do something else then", and THAT is where we are going to run into problems.

    This cycle isn't going to stop. People don't care very much about UBC's in the literal form, they care about it in the pretext form. Many people know it won't work, so then what? Will the government just say "Well we tried, people of the US stop screaming at us and be quiet now". Absolutely not. They will be forced to do something else and that "something else" is what has many folks worried.

    That is the answer to the age old question that has been floating around here. People are concerned about UBC's for a few other reasons as well but the BIG reason is wondering what are the PEOPLE going to push for once another mass shooting happens with UBC's in place? What will that "something else" be?

    When many pro-gun enthusiasts say "Don't give them anything or they will take a mile" that is what they are referring to. They are afraid that if we start allowing superfluous laws on gun control to pass that do nothing to stop gun violence then eventually the opposition will start pushing for drastic action. Whether that drastic action is extreme firearm and ammo taxation, banning certain weapons, or flat out gun confiscation I don't know. But what I do know is that we are going to give UBC's a chance now, and WHEN that doesn't work the buck is NOT going to just stop there. SOMETHING else will be done, something more dramatic, and THAT is what we are afraid of.

    I will ask a very simple question to those in favor of the Presidents Executive Action. Again it's not "if" it's "when". WHEN another mass shooting occurs UNDER this new law made by the President, will you or will you not advocate for more laws and regulations to be put in place in regards to firearms?

    It's a simple question. Yes or no.
     
  2. democrack

    democrack Banned

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    NO !!!
    Laws are for those who obey the law and a means to collect more fees and taxes and add more government programs which means hiring more zombies to run them . In addition thugs , terrorist and the like , could care less about laws , regulations , fees and taxes . How well has the background check worked for those in the deadly San Bernardino terrorist attack ? We are unable to check on foreigners but this administration wants to add more regulations on those who hunt , and target shoot , really , total bullsh$t ! Another excuse to shrewd our constitution by PC nut jobs . We have plenty of laws on the books to deal with the thugs and terrorist already ! The thug who shot the police officer had many gun charges and was let off by a leftist judge who believes in 8th chances !
     
  3. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course not.

    This all boils down to one thing: murder is already against the law and has some of the stiffest penalties on the books already. What will lesser laws, such as what type of gun you own, do when people are willing to ignore the laws and penalties for murder in the first place.
     
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    nra37922 Well-Known Member

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    I say that the NG should go into the South Side of Chicago, block the whole region off and then do a house by house, yard by yard, business by business search and remove all illegally owned firearms. Setup only one way in and out with detailed searches taking place going in and out. Serial number checks can be run to verify if guns were reported lost or stolen.


    After all IF IT SAVES JUST ONE LIFE right?????
     
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    Gun control incrementalism needs more shootings to justify its existence.
     
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    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately, we are slowly becoming weak Europeans. Too many generations of untested materialistic government dependency has had a toll. There are not enough Americans who appreciate why we have the 2nd amendment. Too many cannot absorb the concept that a country full of guns comes with some accidents and misuse of them. The first place the people look for solutions is the government when it creates more problems than it fixes. Imo, we would not see any substantial growth, if any, in gun crimes if all gun laws were dropped. I compare this with Americans self reliance. Few can say they are not dependent on the government financially. With unemployment, welfare and SS, it is no surprise that Americans have little savings and live check to check. With government intrusion into home ownership, it is no surprise most Americans worth is tied up in their homes.

    All these government intrusions have unintended consequences that are destroying liberty and prosperity. Look at NY as an example. When the police went on "strike" and fewer tickets and arrests occurred, the city didn't fall apart, it went on just fine.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One reason I oppose almost anything and everything with guns is that since I was a kid with virtually no gun laws except one had to have a federal permit to own a machine gun. I have seen a steady erosion of gun rights and ownership. Almost all the gun control laws have been focused on the law abiding citizen to erode their rights. Of course we all know the criminal or as we are faced with today, the terrorist, lone wolf, what ever do not abide by the gun control laws. So it seems to me with each and every new gun control law is just another means to punish the law abiding gun owner. That is until finally the government bans all guns and confiscates those from the law abiding citizens leaving only criminals, terrorists, lone wolfs with guns.
     
  8. varrus2942

    varrus2942 New Member

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    The only people that are affected by gun control laws are those that purchase and use guns in a legal manner. 98% of gun owners have never committed a serious crime and never will. Instead, a few people who do something stupid, and criminals who get their guns illegally in the first place, make the rest of us pay. I own a gun, an M4 semi automatic rifle, and I have never done anything wrong. I have never taken it and shot someone with it. But, heaven forbid it is fun to shoot at paper targets with.

    The 2nd amendment is as clear as possible on this subject: The right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon. It is that simple. But then again, politicians use the Constitution as toilet paper.
     

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