Here's the collusion

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's the collusion folks - information sharing between the head of the Trump election campaign and Russian intelligence. This went on while Russia was interfering in the US Election to help Trump get elected.

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    As far as Russia interfering with the US election, you are a Brit are you not? Possibly better to begin with us interfering with the US election as well as the Tory Government providing disinformation, fake news, smearing Corbyn for British political gain. Plenty of links for this but easy to watch here



    The US was doing this long before anyone else. The Guardian has an article about them up to it in 2011 but I can't find it. To be frank our Tory Government is so busy creating fake news about Russia that it would be hard to believe anything they said even if it was true. Seems it is in case it is necessary for some kind of war - possibly in response to a particularly disastrous Brexit or the next recession which people seem to think could happen any day. That is how bad things have got.

    There is also a big issue with alternative left sites getting banned for no reason.
     
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    Sharing polling data with a business associate is now a crime according to libs. Polling data is hardly classified. Pathetic.
     
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    If there's nothing wrong with it then why did he lie about it under oath? Manafort was campaign chairman, working for free. Isn't it just something that's not advisable for the chairman of a presidential campaign to share information about the campaign with a Russian oligarch with direct ties to Vladimir Putin and an adversary to the United States?
     
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    Touché

    Maybe you'll be the one throwing toilet paper to Donald Trump

    Over the prison walls
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not according to libs. According to Mueller - who's a Republican.
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Why did he lie? Probably a lot of people get nervous, scared and confused when grilled by law enforcement. It is pathetic that your so called crime is the same thing the government nailed Martha Stuart on. The crime was a law enforcement generated crime.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/lying-police-should-crime/

    Did you have any outrage about Clinton colluding to sell defense technology to the Chicoms or the Clintons taking payments from the Russians to allow the sale or Uranium to them?
     
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    Wrong. The crime according to Mueller was not selling polling information, it was making a false statement to law enforcement.
     
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    Martha Stewart went to prison for insider trading of ImClone stock that provided financial benefits to her and her friends. It saved her a $43,673 loss, that's it. She went to prison for 2 months and had 2 years of supervised release. Her crime can hardly be compared with sharing internal information from a presidential campaign with a foreign adversary.

    Please don't even bother to bring up the old 'Uranium One' deal, that's so old already and been disproved and debunked many times over.
     
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    Does that wall work?
     
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    Really? She was never charged with insider trading. She was charged with lying to law enforcement. Here is a quote from the NYT.

    Martha Stewart, who used her image of domestic perfection to build a multimillion-dollar company, was found guilty by a Manhattan jury yesterday of lying about the reasons she sold shares of a biotechnology company more than two years ago.
     
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    Just an FYI.


    Eight women and four men deliberated 12 hours over three days before convicting Stewart Friday of all four counts against her - conspiracy, obstruction and two counts of making false statements.

    Both she and her stockbroker at the time, Peter Bacanovic - who was convicted of obstruction, making false statements, conspiracy and perjury - have vowed to appeal.
     
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    That's right she lied about insider trading, but why did she lie about insider trading?
    Martha Stewart had actually acted upon a tip from her Merrill Lynch broker, Peter Bacanovic who was friends with the then ImClone CEO, Sam Waksal who had also ordered the sale of his extensive share in the company, a $5 million stake to be exact, prior to the news being made public.

    For Stewart to be charged with insider trading, it would have to be proved that she acted upon nonpublic information. Had Stewart traded based on knowledge of the FDA decision, the case would have been strong, but Stewart only knew that Waskal had sold his shares. To build a strong insider trading case then, it would have to be proved that the sale violated some duty of Stewart's to refrain from trading based on the information. Not being a board member or otherwise affiliated with ImClone, Stewart did not hold such a duty. She did, however, act on a tip that she knew breached her broker's duty. In essence, it could be proved that she knew her actions were questionable at the very least and illegal at the worst.

    Ultimately, these unique facts surrounding the case against Stewart led to prosecutors to focus on the series of lies Stewart told to cover the facts surrounding her trade. Stewart was sentenced to 5 months of prison time for obstruction of justice and conspiracy after the insider trading charges were dropped and securities fraud charges dismissed. In addition to the prison sentence, Stewart also settled with the SEC on a separate, but related case in which she paid a fine of four times the amount of the loss she avoided plus interest, which came to a whopping total of $195,000. She was also forced to step down as CEO from her company, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, for a duration of five years.

    Please, don't try to equate Martha Stewart's crimes with those of Paul Manafort.
     
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    Collusion isn’t a crime. I don’t think that word appears in the criminal code.
     
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    from your quote:
    since when does 'believe' equate to actually did... especially being hearsay...
     
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    You sound like the guy that jumped off the Empire State Building and was saying so far so good all the way down.

    I would remind you, Manafort is in jail.
     
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    and... that's supposed to mean something relevent... dont think so...
     
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    relevant

     
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    Just reminding you Mueller hasn't lost a case yet and it's Trump's boys that are locked up.
    That includes Manafort who he has accused of lying.
    Now if you don't think Mueller can prove that, your like the guy that jumped off the building.
     
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    Who did the Anthrax??
     
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